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PiZdETS
07-28-2009, 01:23 AM
Pathetic and infuriating. The implication is that if you're not one of the big names in AMA racing you're expected to heed to the big names even if it means going off line and breaking the rules.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C42W0dyBC8
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/ama-technical-director-fired-chastising-backmarker-fucking-show-midohio/

We don’t even know where to begin with this…The AMA Pro Racing has announced that it has indefinitely suspended Al Ludington for his interactions to Johnny Rock Page (http://www.cornerspeedphoto.com/blog/2009/06/johnny-rock-page-letter-to-ama-pro.html) during Race 1 of AMA’s stop at Mid-Ohio. Page was accused by Ludington for not abiding to a blue flag (over-taking rider approaching), as Aaron Yates looked to get around the slower Page. Pretty standard stuff in racing, especially in the AMA where there can be a wide gap in lap times of teams and riders.
The issue here though is the handling of the matter, as Ludington goes off his rocker, threatening and cursing Page, all while misquoting the rule book. During his rant, what becomes clear is Ludington’s lowly perception of privateer riders. He also sheds light on how the AMA perceives roadracing in America. It’s a sad state we live in folks.
Without seeing the incident, we can’t say for certain that Page was in the clear. We’ll let others who follow the AMA series comment on that, but clearly Page seemed to think he was within the rights of the rule book.
What bothers us the most about this video though, is clearly Ludington’s perception of what AMA Sportbike racing is all about, and what the value of ALL the riders on the grid are in his eyes. Quotes like “You raced the leaders, and fucked up the show” and “What were you? 28th?…you’re not ‘it’ [the show]” make us cringe. Page is right, every rider counts on the grid, and what place he was running in the series shouldn’t matter on how the rules are applied to him. All an over-taking rider can ask of a lapped rider, is to stick to the rules, and hold their line as they get around them in a corner.
For the record the rules are as follows (Al, you might want to read these), Section 7 (Race Rules And Procedures 7.14 Flags/Lights) of the AMA racing rules states that:“Blue Flag: Indicates to a rider that they are about to be overtaken. Riders are advised to keep their line and allow the faster rider to pass. Riders disregarding this flag may be blackflagged at the discretion of AMA Pro Racing.”
This incident is sadly an inside look of what the AMA racing series has become (and why we don’t cover it…well, sorta (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/ama-checks-powertoweight-ratio-pro-daytona-sportbikes/)). It’s sad when a Technical Director treats the riders in a purely dollars and cents fashion. We can barely handle it when we see it from the marketing/advertising folks, but you want to think that someone in the Race Director’s office still loves the sport of roadracing for what it used to be. You stay classy AMA.


I wonder if any action would have been taken against Ludington if this video didn't surface, somehow I doubt it.

Dave
07-28-2009, 01:37 AM
that guy is a piece of dogshit.

marko138
07-28-2009, 07:56 AM
What a dick. Fuck him, fuck the AMA.

tommymac
07-28-2009, 08:06 AM
Ifd there was no video then it was his word against the racers and i am sure they wouldnt believe a lowly privateer. I cant believe what a joke the AMA has turned into here.

Tom

z06boy
07-28-2009, 11:56 AM
What a dick. Fuck him, fuck the AMA.

No kidding !!! This really sucks !!

G-Rex
07-28-2009, 12:11 PM
Wow. What a load of horseshit.

That guy should be fired immediately. That kind of behavior and attitude should be unacceptable by the AMA.

marko138
07-28-2009, 12:44 PM
Wow. What a load of horseshit.

That guy should be fired immediately. That kind of behavior and attitude should be unacceptable by the AMA.
But the kid ruined the show.

PiZdETS
07-28-2009, 01:43 PM
Ludington's not going anywhere, they're "suspending" him until it blows over. He's still probably making decisions just under the radar.
“Al Ludington is and remains a key member of AMA Pro Racing’s management team,” said AMA Pro Racing Vice President of Competition Roy Janson. “The outstanding competition that we have seen across the board in AMA Pro Road Racing this season is due in large part to Al’s expertise, experience and passion for motorcycle racing. In no way, however, can AMA Pro condone his behavior and actions as displayed this past weekend at Mid-Ohio. It is appropriate that Al extended an apology to Mr. Page, the AMA Pro Racing community and our loyal fans who deserve and can expect in the future nothing but the highest standards of professional conduct from all of our AMA Pro officials.”
http://www.roadracerx.com/news/ama-pro-racing-suspends-al-ludington-indefinitely/

z06boy
07-28-2009, 02:09 PM
Man it really is getting like NASCAR.

tommymac
07-28-2009, 02:14 PM
Man it really is getting like NASCAR.

next thing they will outlaw tracks that have right turns.

Tom

Rider
07-28-2009, 02:16 PM
next thing they will outlaw tracks that have right turns.

Tom

:lol

smileyman
07-28-2009, 02:49 PM
You guys mentioned AMA alot. Remember that Daytona Motorsports Group bought the rights to the roadrace series. DMG has complete control of the series and has say so on all the rules and venues.

They have shit on the manufacturers, riders, teams, sponsors. The best we can hope for is the AMA to buy it back, fire anyonepreviously employed and adopt WSBK rules or een go back to 08 rules.

tommymac
07-28-2009, 02:53 PM
You guys mentioned AMA alot. Remember that Daytona Motorsports Group bought the rights to the roadrace series. DMG has complete control of the series and has say so on all the rules and venues.

They have shit on the manufacturers, riders, teams, sponsors. The best we can hope for is the AMA to buy it back, fire anyonepreviously employed and adopt WSBK rules or een go back to 08 rules.

or you could see someting like CART/IRl where someon eelse braks away and creates a new racing organization. It seems that everyone doesnt like the new org or set up.

Tom

smileyman
07-28-2009, 02:59 PM
Yes the Manufacturer Industry Council could pull off their own series but it wouldnt be the best option as splitting teams, riders, and sponsors really kills the whole show and whomever survives usually reforms into one series.

z06boy
07-28-2009, 02:59 PM
You guys mentioned AMA alot. Remember that Daytona Motorsports Group bought the rights to the roadrace series. DMG has complete control of the series and has say so on all the rules and venues.

They have shit on the manufacturers, riders, teams, sponsors. The best we can hope for is the AMA to buy it back, fire anyonepreviously employed and adopt WSBK rules or een go back to 08 rules.

True and I am one that says AMA out of habit. My bad.:wtfru:

Rider
07-28-2009, 03:04 PM
True and I am one that says AMA out of habit. My bad.:wtfru:

It's still called AMA racing though.

Amber Lamps
07-28-2009, 03:31 PM
Okay, i don't believe that everyone believes that this is a "new attitude"... Come on, Al Luddington has been a part of the AMA organization for a couple decades I bet.

smileyman
07-28-2009, 04:08 PM
Al Ludington is a longtime crew chief for the American Honda team who lost his job last winter when Honda Corporate did not like the new DMG rules and pulled out of the series. Jobless he was picked up by DMG as tech director and has been tasked with brining order to the chaos Roger Edmunson has wrought...

Amber Lamps
07-28-2009, 04:51 PM
Al Ludington is a longtime crew chief for the American Honda team who lost his job last winter when Honda Corporate did not like the new DMG rules and pulled out of the series. Jobless he was picked up by DMG as tech director and has been tasked with brining order to the chaos Roger Edmunson has wrought...

Hmm my fault I figured that he had some pull in the past.:idk: Anyway, I think his attitude reflects the general attitude.

Dave
07-28-2009, 05:35 PM
next thing they will outlaw tracks that have right turns.

Tom


no they'll still have them but every team will run a hotshoe rider for that specific track :lmao:

karl_1052
07-28-2009, 08:00 PM
The real man behind the DMG

http://www.wrestlerbiographies.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/mcmahon-vince.jpg

Amber Lamps
07-28-2009, 08:12 PM
The real man behind the DMG

http://www.wrestlerbiographies.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/mcmahon-vince.jpg

Shit, Vince would do a better job!!!:rockwoot:

Dave
07-28-2009, 09:13 PM
Shit, Vince would do a better job!!!:rockwoot:

i said the same thing before i scrolled down :lmao: how about:

http://nutritionunplugged.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/trump-photo1.jpg

both of them have the dosh to buy the series. just imagine it: mladdin will come out to his own theme music followed by some strippers and a midget version of himself on a pocketbike...the World Motorcycle Federation. = Pure win...Brother.

Antwanny
07-28-2009, 10:38 PM
asshole plain and simple

smileyman
07-29-2009, 11:14 AM
LOLZ, Dave made me roll!!