View Full Version : Adding perforation to a jacket?
I've got a perf'd Teknic Chicane that I like but it doesn't flow as much air as I'd like (it's wearable below 90). The arms and back aren't perf'd and I'm wondering if adding perforation there would make the jacket usable year-around. I was looking at jackets like the Dainese Santa Monica and RS Taichi GMX Motion but dropping $500+ on a new jacket when I like my current one doesn't make a lot of sense. Is there somewhere in Austin that can perforate the rest of my jacket?
Adeptus_Minor
07-29-2009, 09:54 PM
I don't know about 'around Austin', but I believe at one time I heard that Barnacle Bill's would do it.
http://www.racingleather.com/
azoomm
07-29-2009, 10:00 PM
After seeing the work done by Bill - I wouldn't send him anything that I expected to be back in good condition. :skep:
Panther Leathers http://www.panthercityleather.com/ Does all our work - and has been VERY reliable for repair, add-ons, lettering, and perf. HIGHLY recommended.
Yikes, I bet these perforations flow a LOT of air. Not exactly what I want though.
http://www.racingleather.com/picspg/All%20covered.htm
Adeptus_Minor
07-30-2009, 05:47 AM
Yikes, I bet these perforations flow a LOT of air. Not exactly what I want though.
http://www.racingleather.com/picspg/All%20covered.htm
Hell, I could make those perfs for you with a hammer and a 10-penny nail.
HurricaneHeather
07-30-2009, 09:18 AM
Just drink a bunch of Red Bull then go at it with a pairing knife. :lol:
I got nothin....
Rider
07-30-2009, 09:23 AM
If you had a very sharp leather punch you could do it yourself but it won't look perfect like it would from a leather shop.
z06boy
07-30-2009, 09:32 AM
Icepick baby !! :lol
Rider
07-30-2009, 09:35 AM
Icepick baby !! :lol
See that will only put a hole in the leather and not cut out a tiny circle. That's why you need a leather punch, so you can remove material.
z06boy
07-30-2009, 09:43 AM
See that will only put a hole in the leather and not cut out a tiny circle. That's why you need a leather punch, so you can remove material.
It was a joke and I agree that a leather punch would be the ticket.
However with the icepick leaving the material actually there you could plug the holes back up for cold weather riding. :lol
I keed...I keed...I own a jacet with perforated leather.
Rider
07-30-2009, 09:46 AM
It was a joke and I agree that a leather punch would be the ticket.
However with the icepick leaving the material actually there you could plug the holes back up for cold weather riding. :lol
I keed...I keed...I own a jacet with perforated leather.
Just make sure you are not wearing the jacket when using the ice pick right? :lol:
z06boy
07-30-2009, 09:53 AM
Just make sure you are not wearing the jacket when using the ice pick right? :lol:
:lol:Ouch...makes me think about this poor pup that got too close to a porcupine.
http://therealsouthkorea.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/porcupine2_sm.jpg
pretzel
07-30-2009, 11:25 AM
http://www.tandyleatherfactory.com/home/department/Tools/Punches/Punches.aspx?navlocation=left
Since I have no response to these "fantastic" ideas, I'll just add some boobs.
:boobs:
askmrjesus
07-30-2009, 07:27 PM
Shotgun.
Don't stand too close.
JC
TYEster
07-30-2009, 07:27 PM
Goddamnit where was all this back when I needed suit perforation?
BTW leather punch + stiff backing board(that fits between leather and mesh liner) = DIY/cheap way out. And no, an icepick wont work, it'll just punch a hole that closes back up once the leather moves around. Trust me.
It takes FOREVER but it gets the job done and I am able to survive the 110deg trackdays.
Exhibit A:
Thanks for being my guinea pig! :D
Shannon at Panther City Leathers is quoting me $125-135 to perforate the back and arms of the jacket. Sounds reasonable considering the amount of labor involved. I'll probably send it up to her this weekend.
It's still a little early to be sure but it looks like Shannon ripped me off. She was very communicative when asked questions over email so I sent her the jacket. A week later she sent a Paypal money request. I paid that and now 10 days later I don't have a jacket and she hasn't responded to multiple emails.
Anyone in Dallas want to make a stop by her place and kindly remind her to ship my jacket?
HurricaneHeather
08-21-2009, 11:14 AM
Rut-roh.
HokieDNA01
08-21-2009, 11:24 AM
I have a suit from Barnacle Bill and think he does great work. Haven't had a suit moded by him but I would definitely sent my repeat business his way.
TYEster
08-21-2009, 03:58 PM
Damn the benefit to DIY in this case, is you knew exactly how much work was done each day. :lol:
In my case, I knew how much work still needed to be done at the end of each day.
Heard from Shannon, said she had medical issues for the last week. Fair enough, let's see if my jacket appears this week.
The jacket did not appear. I've reopened the case and now she claims it's in a box, ready to be shipped. Uh huh. Right.
I had a Speedhump and some liner repair work done by Spiderracingleathers. Went through the same thing pdog is going through. BS excuse after BS excuse. They answered quickly when they were getting paid, otherwise it took weeks to get a reply to a call or email. I got my suit back the day we were leaving for the gap. They said it would take 3 weeks, had my suit for months.
I sent Kelley's suit to Barnicle bill to get perfed. I think he charged $75 or so to do the entire suit. She couldn't be happier and he had it back to us within a week.
TYEster
08-31-2009, 04:42 PM
Any updates on getting your stuff back?
LOL I can probably give you some pointers if you want to perforate your own leathers from here out.
azoomm
08-31-2009, 11:04 PM
Heard from Shannon, said she had medical issues for the last week. Fair enough, let's see if my jacket appears this week.
Oh no... she has been VERY reliable to myself and many of my customers in the past. I'll check into it for you Mike - do you have your stuff back yet?
After many situations and seeing the quality of work with Barnacle Bill I would rather poke myself in the eye than do business with him. No thank you.
Ninjakel
08-31-2009, 11:17 PM
My 1 piece suit was perf'ed by Bill. Totally perfect, no complaints from me. Awesome turnaround time too. under a week.
I guess everyone has different experiences with people :idk:
Like Leon mentioned, in my experience she does not respond to emails quickly unless money is on the line or she is trying to get you as a customer.
I've tried paying her through Paypal twice. Once I gave her 10 days to ship, the second four days. Neither time did I receive anything. She refuses to ship anything until she is paid in full, nevermind the fact that I have paid her in full twice already. ???
She's refusing to communicate anymore and ignoring the Paypal dispute I opened. I have a foolproof way to ensure that neither of us can rip each other off (use signature on delivery and have paypal release the money to her once the USPS has a signature), but she's not listening to me anymore. At this point, she has stolen my jacket.
If you can put some pressure on her, I would appreciate it. I have no leverage on her anymore - all I can do is refuse to pay for the alterations and possibly write up a complaint on several TX motorcycle forums. I've done nothing to make her mistrust me yet she's twice failed to ship after being paid.
Oh no... she has been VERY reliable to myself and many of my customers in the past. I'll check into it for you Mike - do you have your stuff back yet?
azoomm
09-01-2009, 10:02 AM
If you can put some pressure on her, I would appreciate it. I have no leverage on her anymore - all I can do is refuse to pay for the alterations and possibly write up a complaint on several TX motorcycle forums. I've done nothing to make her mistrust me yet she's twice failed to ship after being paid.
That sucks.
I'll see what I can do.
She just wrote me back stating that she didn't want to use Paypal anymore, that she would accept check or money order. Here's my response:
Shannon, the thing you need to understand is that Paypal has the money now, not me. The money is out of my account - the dispute will determine whether the money goes into my account or your account. You need to convince them that you have done the right thing as a seller. If you do not, they will return me the money and probably ding your account somehow as possibly fraudulent.
All you need to do to resolve this is ship the jacket with delivery confirmation. Put the tracking number in the Paypal dispute center so the Paypal person can see and track the shipment. Once it's been signed for, Paypal will close the dispute in your favor. Heck, I will close it too because I signed for it! I can't get the jacket without signing for it - if I don't sign for it, it will be returned to you. And because I don't have the money in my account anymore, it's not my choice to pay you or not. It's Paypal's.
Be realistic and think of this situation from my point of view: I won't pay you via either of those mechanisms because then I have no way to ensure I get my jacket. I've tried paying you twice and both times you never sent me anything. You can simply cash the check and never send me anything. This needs to go through Paypal.
Just ship the jacket with delivery confirmation, put the tracking code in Paypal and this will all be resolved.
TYEster
09-08-2009, 07:44 PM
Well it's a week later, got yer jacket?
was92v
09-08-2009, 09:43 PM
I've had suits worked on 3 times. Once to get a hole patched locally. It looked like shit and the patch was paper thin.
Then I called Syed about putting in a new zipper. He said to ship it to him and he would look it over. He called and said he would replace it, I don't remember the cost. I got it back with a new zipper, crash repairs and a new patch on the sleeve. I received it back before I could even send the money, like a couple of days.
Then I had Bill alter it for me since I had gained a little weight. The work was perfect, got it back quick, and never had a problem.
Nope, I've written it off as a lost cause. Moira even met her at Cresson this weekend to get it from her but she wrote me an email later saying she refused to turn over the jacket because I had not paid Moira in advance (M was going to pay her and then I was going to pay M when I picked it up).
Thanks to Moira for the help. I'm sorry it didn't work out.
I'll write up my experience and post it to my blog so that others can get my POV.
Well it's a week later, got yer jacket?
The whole sordid tale from my POV:
http://www.perham.net/mike/log/2009/09/09/panther-city-leather/
nomad13RR
09-10-2009, 12:53 AM
Hopefully she comes around and you finally get your jacket back. That is pretty sorry customer service or I guess I should say totally lacking customer service.
Good Luck,
Richie
azoomm
09-10-2009, 08:55 AM
Sorry, but I side with Shannon on this one - she was stung by a bee shortly after your paypal making her BLIND for a week. Why didn't you call her? She couldn't read email, watch tv, read a book, work on her stuff.... then gets ready to ship and BAM dispute. A dispute takes up to five days to clear, which was JUST enough time for you to dispute again. Would you ship to someone that continues to yank the money away from you?
Oh, and your email didn't reach her until she was already at the track. She is a person that doesn't carry a laptop, doesn't use a blackberry and is at the track for DAYS.... do you think she read your email until after she got home? Again, why not just call her and talk to her about it? You say no customer service, I say the customer is NOT always right.
I'm sorry you're having a hard time with it. But, the fastest way to deal with someone doing leather repair is to send a check WITH the jacket when sending it in. That way, she does the work and ships without needing to do anything more like wait or send eInvoices.
Send a check.
She'll send you your jacket. I know she will....
Sorry, but I side with Shannon on this one - she was stung by a bee shortly after your paypal making her BLIND for a week. Why didn't you call her?
I didn't know her number, just her email address. Admittedly a phone call would have nipped this situation in the bud.
She couldn't read email, watch tv, read a book, work on her stuff.... then gets ready to ship and BAM dispute.
She admitted she had not even started the work before the first dispute (17 days after I shipped!) and not did she inform me of her medical issue until after I had filed the dispute. I had emailed her asking for the status and she did not reply within 3 days. I sympathize but she did not go out of her way to inform me of any delay nor did she respond to my status query in a timely manner. This is fundamental to running an Internet business IMO.
A dispute takes up to five days to clear, which was JUST enough time for you to dispute again. Would you ship to someone that continues to yank the money away from you?
A dispute remains open for 10 days or until someone closes it. I closed the first one once she explained what happened and told me she would not ship until the dispute was closed. Technically it is impossible to open a second dispute on a transaction except that I called PayPal and they said she was dead wrong to extort me to close the dispute before she would ship. She should have shipped with delivery confirmation and PayPal would have found in her favor if I kept the dispute open.
The real kicker here is simply that she is unwilling to use COD. There's no reason that I can think of why an honest merchant wouldn't be willing to use COD. COD means I have to pay for the jacket to take possession of it. There's 0% risk to her and my risk is lessened 100% - I don't have to trust her and she doesn't have to trust me. That's a perfectly workable solution which she will not accept.
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