Plug/patch combos?

[Tmall]

Anybody have a "how to"? It's not exactly rocket science, but I would prefer to do it properly the first time.

[Rider]

Just be safe and replace the tire.

[Tmall]

Just be safe and replace the tire.

No.

[Rider]

It's cheap insurance man. Just looking out for you, but you do whatever you want.

[Tmall]

I ran the tire with just a plug in it for over a thousand miles of hard riding. Then I replaced it with a Corsa III.

Now that it's off, I'm patchign it the way the MANUFACTURER reccomends, and the same way my local shop charges $30 for.

With the plug/patch the the hole is blocked by a wire reinforced plug, and a inch or so diameter patch.

The force required to remove just the plug was nuts considering it was basically cooked into the tire, I had to use vice grips to get enough grip on it to take it out from the inside, and the internal loop almost guarantees it won't be pushed to the outside of the tire.


I understand that you've been led to believe they're unsafe, and you're free to believe that completely. I, however, trust them 100%. And the $5 it's going to cost me to fix it, is marginally cheaper than a new rear.

[BobTheBiker]

I've seen the patch/plug deal you're talking about. I'd feel perfectly safe with one of those in my tire honestly. takes a helluva lot of effort, much much moreso than any road forces could exert to remove it, so its just fine.

[Rider]

I've seen the patch/plug deal you're talking about. I'd feel perfectly safe with one of those in my tire honestly. takes a helluva lot of effort, much much moreso than any road forces could exert to remove it, so its just fine.

How can you be sure the plug is that same compound as the tire? When you are talking about a contact patch the size of a credit card, a 1 inch diameter plug is a large portion of that contact patch. If it was the same compound I'd feel safer......

[Tmall]

How can you be sure the plug is that same compound as the tire? When you are talking about a contact patch the size of a credit card, a 1 inch diameter plug is a large portion of that contact patch. If it was the same compound I'd feel safer......

Why does the plug have to be the same compound? I get pebbles embedded in my tires, they don't knock me over.

The plug goes through from the inside, the patch is inside, and both of them have glue, friction, air pressure, and vulcanization holding them in place.

http://i27.tinypic.com/210yu74.jpg

[Dnyce]

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the patch may be a inch diameter, but the plug isnt. its way smaller. if u got a inch diameter hole in your tire, u mustve shot at it or something lol, think about it.

this is safe-even the outside plug is safe, the plug patch deal is just a perm fix compared to the plug being not touted as perm.

and if u screw it up, oh wow, i have a slow leak. -its not like the tire will spontaneously combust lol

[Amber Lamps]

Sorry Ed but I also totally trust plug/patch combos, hell I've run just patches and have been fine. Besides, again for the hundredth time, the worst case scenario is that he gets another flat. No "sudden tire failure", no blow out, a flat is the worst that can happen.

Anyway, rough up the interior of the tire, use plenty rubber cement, remove backing, push point through hole, pull with pliers, use something to "roll it out". Cut off excess rubber to about 1/8''. I've seen guys heat gun them but I don't know if it's necessary... I usually let it dry for an hour or so for piece of mind. Reassemble and take off.

I know that a lot of people have been made to believe that motorcycle tires can't be patched... gee I wonder whom perpetuates that rumor? Everyone seems to think that MC tires endure some super extra duress or abuse. You can plug/patch an 18 wheeler tire which far greater stress than a MC tire. As far as "compound" goes, the plug is certain to be softer in any case and it's about 1/16" in diameter...:idk:

What always totally kicks my ass is the fact that in every motorcycle shop in the country, the mechanics all have a pile of almost new tires at home from guys replacing tires because of a flat. Every MC tire manufacturer okays plug/patches and they sure wouldn't if there was ANY danger whatsoever.

[Amber Lamps]

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the patch may be a inch diameter, but the plug isnt. its way smaller. if u got a inch diameter hole in your tire, u mustve shot at it or something lol, think about it.

this is safe-even the outside plug is safe, the plug patch deal is just a perm fix compared to the plug being not touted as perm.

and if u screw it up, oh wow, i have a slow leak. -its not like the tire will spontaneously combust lol

Hahaha! Damn, I type too slow!:lol:

[Rider]

I'm not worried about blow out, I'm worried about consistent grip. You guys do whatever you want I wont try to convince you one way or the other.

[Tmall]

Again, I've have pebble lodged on my tires bigger than the end that will protrude from my tire. And, its almost in the center.

[Gas Man]

Got a link for these plug/patch combos? I'm interested in it.

[Tmall]

Got a link for these plug/patch combos? I'm interested in it.


Prema is the company that makes this one. I just bought it off of the service guys at the shop.

[Tmall]

http://www.geocities.com/sl_mille/general/patch.html

Same principle, just with a normal patch.. I should be good.

[Gas Man]

Prema is the company that makes this one. I just bought it off of the service guys at the shop.
These?
http://www.harvieprema.com/catalogue/plugssteminserts.htm

[Tmall]

Those are the ones.

I prepped with sandpaper, so it took me about 30 minutes. If I'd have had a die grinder, would have taken 5..

Let the glue set, pulled it through, it sealed instantly, I rolled any air out and then cut off the excess.

Oh, I reamed the hole out first so the plug would fit easier and deform the area around it less.

[was92v]

It will last as long as the tire. No problem.

[Gas Man]

What size did you buy?

[Tmall]

I didn't bother to check. Just told them I had a hole in my pilot road 2 and that I wanted a plug/patch.

[Apoc]

I'm not worried about blow out, I'm worried about consistent grip. You guys do whatever you want I wont try to convince you one way or the other.


No, your perfectly right.

From now on, if you get a flat, send the tire to me so that I can be sure its properly disposed of so that noone can can ever hurt themselves on it. Honest. I'll even pay for shipping...

Your being ridiculous, Its a hole less than have the diamater of a pen, if that. Do you really think it has an effect??

Do you always change the front and rear together too? Because I'll take some spare fronts.

[Tmall]

No catastrophic failure up to 100mph...

[Amber Lamps]

No catastrophic failure up to 100mph...

You've just been lucky!!! You wait, you are riding on a time bomb motherfucker... A TIME BOMB!!!!!

:lol:

[Gas Man]

You've just been lucky!!! You wait, you are riding on a time bomb motherfucker... A TIME BOMB!!!!!

:lol:
Based off what? Links or pics of people whom have actually had problems with a patched or plugged tire?

[Flexin]

I'm not worried about blow out, I'm worried about consistent grip. You guys do whatever you want I wont try to convince you one way or the other.

I wouldn't worry about grip. The hole for the plug would be to small to cause any problems.

I was lucky, I never had to patch any of my tires on my R6. I know guys that had flats in 5 day old tires. That would piss me off.

James

[wildchild]

not a fan of tire plugs/patches on bikes at all. truck maybe but not the bike.

[Flexin]

not a fan of tire plugs/patches on bikes at all. truck maybe but not the bike.

I had plugs in car tires. I installed on in my step fathers car and that thing lasted the life of the tire. That was plug only. As long as its not in the sidewall I wouldn't have a problem with one in a car/truck at all.

James

[z06boy]

I USED to be totally against plugging...patching...whatever when it came to motorcycle tires. Through the years though I've known a few people that gave it a shot and NONE of them ever had any issue IF DONE RIGHT.

With the plug/patch combo...I've changed my mind and would do that and actually did on one tire and had zero issues with leakage or anything. :idk:

[Amber Lamps]

Based off what? Links or pics of people whom have actually had problems with a patched or plugged tire?

I was kidding Chrissy!!! I've fought this fight 20 times at least. I've been patching tires since I was a kid without ever have an issue. Hell, I once got a tire slashed and put 4 plugs in the sidewall and did parade laps and burnouts all weekend until the tire place opened on Mon and I could get it replaced. I burned the tire in the parking lot until it blew apart and the plugs still stayed in place! True story! I have never personally heard or seen a catastrophic failure from a plug, patch or plug-patch. Even so I'm slightly leary of just plugs and will use them as a temporary measure until I can patch it or plug-patch it. If you saw the numbers on a plug patch and what they can withstand, force/temp wise, I think that everyone would agree that any fear is unwarranted.

[Gas Man]

I hear ya Tig Tig. Relax. I'm just wondering if its ever happened.

[Amber Lamps]

I hear ya Tig Tig. Relax. I'm just wondering if its ever happened.

Hey I'm Kool and the Gang!:lol: