Can't say I'm feeling bad for this dumbass dead rider

[fnfalman]

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2009/aug/10/1-dead-in-camarillo-crash/?partner=yahoo_headlines

A motorcyclist was killed Monday in a collision with a motor home on Highway 101’s Conejo Grade after he slowed rapidly in front of the recreational vehicle in an apparent road-rage incident, authorities said.

The motorcyclist, a 57-year-old Ventura man, was killed about 12:22 p.m. on southbound Highway 101 near Camarillo Springs Road when he collided with a roughly 30-foot motor home driven by Michael Antoine, 68, of Thousand Oaks, said Officer Terry Uhrich of the California Highway Patrol’s Moorpark office.

Authorities did not identify the motorcyclist because they were still working to notify relatives.

The motorcyclist and Antoine were both traveling about 55 mph when the collision occurred in the right lane, authorities said. Witnesses and Antoine later told authorities that the motorcyclist had made obscene hand gestures, pulled in front of the motor home, then slowed down dramatically, Uhrich said.

Antoine did not have time to react and struck the back of the low-slung custom motorcycle, causing it to become stuck under the front of the RV, authorities said. The motorcyclist was thrown from the bike, run over by the motor home and dragged underneath for about 75 feet, Uhrich said. Unable to steer, Antoine continued about 500 feet and hit the center divider, Uhrich said.

The frame of the motorcycle carved a deep groove in the roadway as it was pulled under the motor home. Antoine was not injured.

The cause of the initial confrontation was unclear, but investigators believe the motorcyclist intentionally slowed in front of the motor home, Uhrich said. There were no other vehicles that would have made the motorcyclist slow to avoid them, he said.

“It looks like partial road rage,” the officer said. Antoine was not suspected of any wrongdoing, Uhrich said.

Several Ventura County firefighters were on Highway 101 on their way to another crash when they spotted the collision just after it happened. Fire Capt. Barry Parker was in the engine that pulled over to investigate after he and other firefighters saw smoke from the collision, he said.

“I thought I had an RV fire,” Parker said.

The firefighters instead found the motorcyclist lying in the roadway. They gave him emergency medical aid, but he did not have a pulse, and they pronounced him dead at the scene, Parker said. “We did what we could,” he said.

While he couldn’t recall any other cases of motorcycles slowing rapidly in front of motor homes, Uhrich said local CHP officers field 911 calls about erratic braking and obscene gestures every day. “It’s impatient driving,” he said.

The fatal crash came amid a statewide increase in motorcycle fatalities. They climbed 8.1 percent in 2008, to 560, compared with 518 in 2007, according to the state Office of Traffic Safety.

Motorcycle deaths have risen consistently since 1998, when only 204 fatalities were reported.

While authorities are still trying to determine why, young men riding fast sport bikes and older men returning to motorcycles after a long absence appear to be factors, said Chris Cochran, a spokesman for the Office of Traffic Safety.

[Rider]

No sympathy. I feel for his family though.

[Tmall]

Stupid is as stupid does...

[PhiSig1071]

I feel sorry for the guy driving the motorhome. He has to deal with the fact that he has now killed a man. Regardless of the guys stupidity, he was still driving and he still ran over a motorcyclist and killed him.

[marko138]

I feel sorry for the guy driving the motorhome. He has to deal with the fact that he has now killed a man. Regardless of the guys stupidity, he was still driving and he still ran over a motorcyclist and killed him.
Right. Sucks for him.

[Trip]

Someone forgot to tell this guy brake checking only works when you have 4 wheels and aren't tiny in comparison to the vehicle you are brake checking.

[wildchild]

damn hope he didn't mess the guys motorhome up too much. it would suck to have your vacation interrupted by a dumbass like that.

i do have to admit it almost makes me chuckle. you brake check someone in a "c'mon" type of fashion. guess the motorhome driver brought it on. :rockwoot:

[Fleck750]

You only win the game of brake check if you're driving a semi. FTW

[Gas Man]

I think you guys are being narrow minded. The fuckin rv guy probably damn near ran him over, like in a lane change so the guy got pissed and was explaining it to the man. Problem was, the rider couldn't ride well enough to back up his "mouth".

I have done similar countless times. I have also master the 6" cut off. Especially on the new hog. But unlike when I was on the rocket, most drivers tend to fear the hd rider more. Hmmm...

[Fleck750]

most drivers tend to fear the hd rider more. Hmmm...


Costs too much to replace the bike? :poke: :D

[smileyman]

Not road rage, its an obvious case of tassling! The cruiser pilot must have passed, cut in to close due to lack of straight line umph and got a tassle caught in the RV grill. Unable to get free he was sucked under by his own saddle bags...what a shame!

[HurricaneHeather]

Isn't a pretty well known fact that motorcycle vs. any other vehicle will result in a loss on the motorcycle's part? Especially an effing motorhome?! Who cares if the guy almost killed you while changing lanes? You survived just so you could die because you are angry?

[skiergirl]

We'll never know the truth but who's to say his bike chain didn't come off, his brakes locked up or the engine failed or something mechanical that caused him to slow/stop and this guy in the RV just wasn't paying enough attention and just ran him over.

could have been the biker being a dumb ass too but no one knows....

[Fleck750]

We'll never know the truth but who's to say his bike chain didn't come off, his brakes locked up or the engine failed or something mechanical that caused him to slow/stop and this guy in the RV just wasn't paying enough attention and just ran him over.

could have been the biker being a dumb ass too but no one knows....

Giving people the benefit of the doubt isn't much fun though. :D

[skiergirl]

HA, true! and we all know how those 'bikers' are.....bunch of hoodlums

[marko138]

We'll never know the truth but who's to say his bike chain didn't come off, his brakes locked up or the engine failed or something mechanical that caused him to slow/stop and this guy in the RV just wasn't paying enough attention and just ran him over.

could have been the biker being a dumb ass too but no one knows....
So biker made some obscene gestures, pulled in front of motor home, then all the sudden his engine siezed, or chain broke, or whatever? :skep: Weird chain of events but not impossible. :skep:

[skiergirl]

How do you know he did that? because the guy that ran him over said so? there's a reliable source....and who was the witness? the guys wife...

[marko138]

How do you know he did that? because the guy that ran him over said so? there's a reliable source....and who was the witness? the guys wife...
4th paragraph states 'witnesses'.

[wildchild]

Not road rage, its an obvious case of tassling! The cruiser pilot must have passed, cut in to close due to lack of straight line umph and got a tassle caught in the RV grill. Unable to get free he was sucked under by his own saddle bags...what a shame!


awesome. I have a buddy who is very "into" tasseling up his ride.

[skiergirl]

The guy driving and his wife...that would be witnesses....all it takes it 2.

I'm just saying everyone can take sides and argue but not one of us saw it or knows anything more than what some guy wrote in the paper. And we all know the news is always 100% accurate.

[wildchild]

I think you guys are being narrow minded. The fuckin rv guy probably damn near ran him over, like in a lane change so the guy got pissed and was explaining it to the man. Problem was, the rider couldn't ride well enough to back up his "mouth".

I have done similar countless times. I have also master the 6" cut off. Especially on the new hog. But unlike when I was on the rocket, most drivers tend to fear the hd rider more. Hmmm...


i don't think it's narrow minded. I agree with everything you put there including he couldn't ride well enough to back up his actions therefore I think he's a flaming retard who shouldn't be playing games with his life or the lives of others.

it's all fun and games 'till someone becomes a hood ornament. or in this case grill meat. :tremble:

[Gas Man]

Costs too much to replace the bike? :poke: :D

:lol:

We'll never know the truth but who's to say his bike chain didn't come off, his brakes locked up or the engine failed or something mechanical that caused him to slow/stop and this guy in the RV just wasn't paying enough attention and just ran him over.

could have been the biker being a dumb ass too but no one knows....

True!

i don't think it's narrow minded. I agree with everything you put there including he couldn't ride well enough to back up his actions therefore I think he's a flaming retard who shouldn't be playing games with his life or the lives of others.

it's all fun and games 'till someone becomes a hood ornament. or in this case grill meat. :tremble:


Bottom line we willnever know cause there is no way the RV driver is going to come forth with any more info.

[marko138]

If you're the RV driver why would you say dude was buzzing you with rude gestures, braked hard and you ran him over? Why wouldn't you just say guy was in front of you and his bike malfunctioned if thats what happened? I'm pretty sure in investigation might reveal a malfunction.

[Amber Lamps]

4th paragraph states 'witnesses'.

Okay, here's where I lower even the lowest opinion of me... I've done exactly what this guy is accused of doing in the past. Mostly when idiots are tailgating me on the freeway. Now in my defense, I drop it in second and am prepared to gas it if necessary but a stupid maneuver none the less.

[smileyman]

The only time a brake check truly works is with stock car racing restarts. Any other time it is better to kick em on the way by or fling up the old proverbial pocket full of bb's as you pull away...

[azoomm]

I think you guys are being narrow minded. The fuckin rv guy probably damn near ran him over, like in a lane change so the guy got pissed and was explaining it to the man. Problem was, the rider couldn't ride well enough to back up his "mouth".

I have done similar countless times. I have also master the 6" cut off. Especially on the new hog. But unlike when I was on the rocket, most drivers tend to fear the hd rider more. Hmmm...

And, at the end of the day, public perception is that motorcyclists are the dangerous ones. THIS is why... it's that lasting impression that stays with them.

Why on EARTH would you do that?

You feel you're going to teach them a lesson? Great - you're dead. Hope your family's pain is worth the lesson to some stranger that won't even "get it."

[Gas Man]

Well lesson or not, they tend to back way off and dont ever come near me again.

[101lifts2]

I think you guys are being narrow minded. The fuckin rv guy probably damn near ran him over, like in a lane change so the guy got pissed and was explaining it to the man. Problem was, the rider couldn't ride well enough to back up his "mouth".

I have done similar countless times. I have also master the 6" cut off. Especially on the new hog. But unlike when I was on the rocket, most drivers tend to fear the hd rider more. Hmmm...


If the RV is moving over and the driver does not see the bike, then bike should just share the lane with the RV or speed up. Now..the biker is killed because of stupidity.

[rogue]

Well lesson or not, they tend to back way off and dont ever come near me again.

Weaving from side to side in your lane has a tendency of getting the same result :wink:

He could have very well been doing a brake check...who knows. Why else would a motorcyclist give obsene gesture to a cager unless the cager did something stupid that caused the biker a nice "oh shit" moment and some road rage? I know I wouldn't brake check a motorhome just like I wouldn't do it to a semi. That's just nuts. :screwy:

I rarely brake check when I'm riding. I will, however, weave from side to side. It usually gets their attention and they don't want to be around some crazy biker so they back off. :lol:

I've seen a few people do it while riding. Wade used to light up the rear tire when he did it.

Brake checking a motorhome was a stupid move IMO. But it doesn't keep me from feeling bad for everyone who's lives it involved.

[Rider]

I let my middle finger do the talking. It gets the point across without have to put my life on the line. A pocket full of marbles works well too and in the extreme event, a nice flemy mouth full of lung butter spit on their windshield does wonders.

[marko138]

I let my middle finger do the talking. It gets the point across without have to put my life on the line. A pocket full of marbles works well too and in the extreme event, a nice flemy mouth full of lung butter spit on their windshield does wonders.
How the F are you doing that with a full face on?

[Rider]

How the F are you doing that with a full face on?

Flip up the lid, pull the mouth guard down. Wont work with a breath guard installed.

[pdog]

I've eased off the gas to let a tailgater know that I don't appreciate their proximity. By the time we get down to 55 or so, they get the idea to go around. But brake check? That's just dumb.

[marko138]

Flip up the lid, pull the mouth guard down. Wont work with a breath guard installed.
Too risky for me. I'd have this shit all over myself and be doubly pissed.

[Trip]

The only time a brake check truly works is with stock car racing restarts. Any other time it is better to kick em on the way by or fling up the old proverbial pocket full of bb's as you pull away...

Too true, brake checking cars/RVs/Semis on a motorcycle is fucking retards. It's not just going to be a minor fender bender like in a car. Give em a good ole kick to the sheet metal if you got that much of a problem with them or a nice big spit like Rider suggested..

[z06boy]

Cagers have pizzed me off before and I have flipped people off and I'm sure I'll do it again BUT one has to be ready for the possible consequences when doing this and performing a brake check while on a bike is about as ignorant as it gets imho. :idk:

[Amber Lamps]

Cagers have pizzed me off before and I have flipped people off and I'm sure I'll do it again BUT one has to be ready for the possible consequences when doing this and performing a brake check while on a bike is about as ignorant as it gets imho. :idk:


Yep I agree! Even when I've done it myself I know that it's stupid! Now a days I just light up my brake lights... that almost produces the same effect. :idk: It's like when we used to do wheelies down the freeway, it's dangerous sure but if you know what you're doing...:lol: I won't try to justify 90% of the shit I've done on a motorcycle in the past. Anymore than I'll try and justify the crazy shit I've done off a bike either.:lol: IMO if the guy on the bike had known what he was doing, he could have frightened the driver of the RV without risking his own life.

BTW damaging someone's vehicle (bb's, marbles, kicking, etc) can just as easily result in death if you fuck with the wrong motherfucker on the wrong day!

My buddy Junior, RIP, used to carry almost pinball sized ball bearing with him in a tank bag. Well, one day, day before he died-no bs, a guy in a red Chevy pick up accidentally cut us off flying down Leonard on our way to Grand Haven. So Jr passes him and hits him with a volley of 4 or 5 balls and takes off! FUCK! Now it's on! This guy chases us for the better part of 5 miles before he finally "gives up" and we lose him in the twists and turns of the road. Apparently, the guys in the back had a couple close calls!:panic:

Well, we get to GH and are sitting in our normal "biker lot" by the beach. I convince Jr that maybe he should take off because that guy looked pretty pissed. Not 10 minutes later, here comes that guy in the pick up screeching to a stop maybe 2 feet from our bikes. Screaming and waving a rifle. You could see 3 maybe 4 "divots" on the body of the truck and a nice crack in the windshield! You could also see the paper dealer plate in the rear window....:lol: Of course the guy starts screaming about how he's gonna call the cops and we agree that we're sure that they'd be interested in how he tried to murder guys who had nothing to do with it.... He left, we left, Jr died the next day doing wheelies on a side street off Alpine...:idk:

These days, I just avoid the idiots and shake my head as I go past... what's the point? If you do anything to them, they'll just be angry with you. People don't accept responsibility or blame anymore. I picked up my gf's bike last night from her work because it was raining and she was afraid to ride it. Some girl in a Honda totally cut me off. I just rode around her and gave her the "thanks for almost killing me" look and rode on. What's the point? It's not like they're going to learn anything. Shit, if I were to do anything then I'd be possibly facing criminal charges. :idk:

[Rider]

I know that route Tigger, Ive taken it several times. The "biker" lot you mentioned, would that happen to be the taco stand?

[goof2]

I generally don't think it is worth it to "teach a cager a lesson" which will probably not sink in. I am certainly not going to brake check a vehicle with a driver who is not paying attention (they did something stupid to piss me off in the first place) and has shitty brakes when I am the only crumple zone on the bike.

Doing something stupid that risks my life because someone else did something stupid that risked my life doesn't make much sense to me.

[Amber Lamps]

I know that route Tigger, Ive taken it several times. The "biker" lot you mentioned, would that happen to be the taco stand?

"Butch's Beach Burritos"? Nah we used to park at the lot just before the Dairy Treat where the pizza place used to be, across from the board walk. In between Snug Harbor and Kirby's... wait did Butch's finally open a second location?

[z06boy]

Yep I agree! Even when I've done it myself I know that it's stupid! Now a days I just light up my brake lights... that almost produces the same effect. :idk: It's like when we used to do wheelies down the freeway, it's dangerous sure but if you know what you're doing...:lol: I won't try to justify 90% of the shit I've done on a motorcycle in the past. Anymore than I'll try and justify the crazy shit I've done off a bike either.:lol: IMO if the guy on the bike had known what he was doing, he could have frightened the driver of the RV without risking his own life.

BTW damaging someone's vehicle (bb's, marbles, kicking, etc) can just as easily result in death if you fuck with the wrong motherfucker on the wrong day!

My buddy Junior, RIP, used to carry almost pinball sized ball bearing with him in a tank bag. Well, one day, day before he died-no bs, a guy in a red Chevy pick up accidentally cut us off flying down Leonard on our way to Grand Haven. So Jr passes him and hits him with a volley of 4 or 5 balls and takes off! FUCK! Now it's on! This guy chases us for the better part of 5 miles before he finally "gives up" and we lose him in the twists and turns of the road. Apparently, the guys in the back had a couple close calls!:panic:

Well, we get to GH and are sitting in our normal "biker lot" by the beach. I convince Jr that maybe he should take off because that guy looked pretty pissed. Not 10 minutes later, here comes that guy in the pick up screeching to a stop maybe 2 feet from our bikes. Screaming and waving a rifle. You could see 3 maybe 4 "divots" on the body of the truck and a nice crack in the windshield! You could also see the paper dealer plate in the rear window....:lol: Of course the guy starts screaming about how he's gonna call the cops and we agree that we're sure that they'd be interested in how he tried to murder guys who had nothing to do with it.... He left, we left, Jr died the next day doing wheelies on a side street off Alpine...:idk:

These days, I just avoid the idiots and shake my head as I go past... what's the point? If you do anything to them, they'll just be angry with you. People don't accept responsibility or blame anymore. I picked up my gf's bike last night from her work because it was raining and she was afraid to ride it. Some girl in a Honda totally cut me off. I just rode around her and gave her the "thanks for almost killing me" look and rode on. What's the point? It's not like they're going to learn anything. Shit, if I were to do anything then I'd be possibly facing criminal charges. :idk:


You're right...it's not really worth in the overall scheme of things.

Pretty crazy about your friend.

I rode thru Grand Haven several years ago with my ex that was from Grand Rapids...nice azz place !!

[Amber Lamps]

You're right...it's not really worth in the overall scheme of things.

Pretty crazy about your friend.

I rode thru Grand Haven several years ago with my ex that was from Grand Rapids...nice azz place !!

Yea, I used to live just off Leonard and would ride to Grand Haven almost every day! That was our "Deal's Gap".:lol: Except there were almost always hot bitches at the beach and sadly only maybe 50 curves for 25 miles...:lol:

[marko138]

Yep I agree! Even when I've done it myself I know that it's stupid! Now a days I just light up my brake lights... that almost produces the same effect. :idk: It's like when we used to do wheelies down the freeway, it's dangerous sure but if you know what you're doing...:lol: I won't try to justify 90% of the shit I've done on a motorcycle in the past. Anymore than I'll try and justify the crazy shit I've done off a bike either.:lol: IMO if the guy on the bike had known what he was doing, he could have frightened the driver of the RV without risking his own life.

BTW damaging someone's vehicle (bb's, marbles, kicking, etc) can just as easily result in death if you fuck with the wrong motherfucker on the wrong day!

My buddy Junior, RIP, used to carry almost pinball sized ball bearing with him in a tank bag. Well, one day, day before he died-no bs, a guy in a red Chevy pick up accidentally cut us off flying down Leonard on our way to Grand Haven. So Jr passes him and hits him with a volley of 4 or 5 balls and takes off! FUCK! Now it's on! This guy chases us for the better part of 5 miles before he finally "gives up" and we lose him in the twists and turns of the road. Apparently, the guys in the back had a couple close calls!:panic:

Well, we get to GH and are sitting in our normal "biker lot" by the beach. I convince Jr that maybe he should take off because that guy looked pretty pissed. Not 10 minutes later, here comes that guy in the pick up screeching to a stop maybe 2 feet from our bikes. Screaming and waving a rifle. You could see 3 maybe 4 "divots" on the body of the truck and a nice crack in the windshield! You could also see the paper dealer plate in the rear window....:lol: Of course the guy starts screaming about how he's gonna call the cops and we agree that we're sure that they'd be interested in how he tried to murder guys who had nothing to do with it.... He left, we left, Jr died the next day doing wheelies on a side street off Alpine...:idk:

These days, I just avoid the idiots and shake my head as I go past... what's the point? If you do anything to them, they'll just be angry with you. People don't accept responsibility or blame anymore. I picked up my gf's bike last night from her work because it was raining and she was afraid to ride it. Some girl in a Honda totally cut me off. I just rode around her and gave her the "thanks for almost killing me" look and rode on. What's the point? It's not like they're going to learn anything. Shit, if I were to do anything then I'd be possibly facing criminal charges. :idk:


I agree with your last paragraph. I dont do anything but maybe shake my head as I go by. I just put some space between me and them. Whats the point?

[Rider]

"Butch's Beach Burritos"? Nah we used to park at the lot just before the Dairy Treat where the pizza place used to be, across from the board walk. In between Snug Harbor and Kirby's... wait did Butch's finally open a second location?


Just 1 location as far as I'm aware of, across from Kelly Park. We'd usually park in that lot before we head back into town either back on Leonard or south on Lakeshore back to Holland.

[Amber Lamps]

Just 1 location as far as I'm aware of, across from Kelly Park. We'd usually park in that lot before we head back into town either back on Leonard or south on Lakeshore back to Holland.

Ah it must be a second location... the original Butch's is way down by the public beach.

[Rider]

Ah it must be a second location... the original Butch's is way down by the public beach.

That's the one.

[Homeslice]

The only people I brake-check are the fags who come up behind me and do a really slow pass so that their front bumper comes only 2-3 feet from my rear bumper. I think it's some kind of ego statement......like "Ooooh I just passed you with inches to spare, ha ha I owned you." :rolleyes: :rolleyes: I notice it's always guys under 30 y/o. Anyway, when I see them about to do that shit, I let off the gas so that there's engine braking, which forces them to go "oh shit" and jerk their wheel at the last second to get around me. Or I'll even pull the e-brake slightly.......Not enough for them to see I'm doing it, but enough for them to realize that maybe next time they should start passing someone a little earlier.

[Homeslice]

Someone forgot to tell this guy brake checking only works when you have 4 wheels and aren't tiny in comparison to the vehicle you are brake checking.

+1

[Smittie61984]

I had a guy on a motorcycle brake check a box truck I was in. It pissed me off so much I was screaming "Run the fucker over" as the guy took off. We were in a box truck loaded down with pool tables so there was no hope. No clue what we did, other than maybe driving the speed limit or a little under. He was on some old late 80s early 90s standard and when he took off I didn't think it moved that much faster. Honestly I think a mid90s camaro could have ran him down.

But it reminds me of that video where a scooter cut off some big truck and just become mush. I need to find that video.

[Amber Lamps]

I had a guy on a motorcycle brake check a box truck I was in. It pissed me off so much I was screaming "Run the fucker over" as the guy took off. We were in a box truck loaded down with pool tables so there was no hope. No clue what we did, other than maybe driving the speed limit or a little under. He was on some old late 80s early 90s standard and when he took off I didn't think it moved that much faster. Honestly I think a mid90s camaro could have ran him down.

But it reminds me of that video where a scooter cut off some big truck and just become mush. I need to find that video.

yea one of my buddies just got killed on his scooter a couple weeks ago.

[Rangerscott]

If someone is on my ass I just eas off the throttle and flash my brake light.

Had a dumb bitch riding my ass on the highway earlier today. She actually got the hint.