Yea, because kids raised by the Government turn out fine right?

This. I don't think it's necessary to deny the kid citizenship, but I do think that kid is absolutely NOT an excuse for the parents to stay. The kid is a citizen, so he/she can stay here, but the parents need to GTFO and come in the legal way. If the parents don't want to be separated from the baby, that's cool- they can take it with them.

Of course, I also think it's high time the US starts billing the Mexican government for all the hospital bills racked up by its citizens.

Nope, i expect the US to royally screw up every kid it gets,

Maybe that should be something the parents should consider before putting their child in that situation.:shrug:

I don't think they "consider" much of anything, including birth control.

While Kavanagh is absolutely wrong about the intent of The Framers, where the concept of being born to citizenship is concerned, I think that it would be a reasonable accommodation to state that the parents must actually be in the country legally for the 14th Amendment to apply.

This.

To the framers issue, I'm not sure their intent should be the overriding factor in this anyway. I'll be kind and say their track record was a bit "poor" on citizenship and rights when it came to non-whites and non-males.:lol:

Between government schools, government hand outs, and more we pretty much are already raised by the government. And yes we turn out fucked up dumbasses.

If the parents know that just becuase their kid is born in the US and becomes a citizen it doesn't mean they get to stay, I bet you'll see a lot less women coming across the border the minute they feel labor pains.

Absolutely, and then turn them loose in society with whatever problems they've developed.

Its probably something they considered when they decided to leave behind everything they've ever known and risk life, limb and freedom to make it to a country that, even with menial work, they have a much higher chance to have a decent quality of life in. I mean, Detroit is a shithole but I'd rather live there than Juarez.

I understand where you guys are coming from, but I can't be angry or wish ill against people who are simply trying to make it. I'm not anointing them as saints or even excuse any of the bad behavior that may be displayed when they come here (Hey Spic, our sewers here actually work in all 50 states. Flush your fucking toilet paper before I make you eat it.) But, I can see it from their point of view.

If you want to be America the great and free and all the other bullshit every politician from here to NYC spouts on a daily basis then you have to fight against discriminatory immigration policies. And if you don't want to do that you can still rally against American government policies that put other countries in dire situations, such as the war on drugs which is currently decimating northern Mexico.

You speak as if loving parents in a stable environment count for nothing. Can you give specific examples of women crossing the border when they're about to bust or account for what percentage they make up of total illegal immigrants?