I was about to say that cavaliers,berettas were the popular street race machines against the z28/mustangs at least in my town

I had an '89 Z-24 convertable back in the day... it was a POS, but chicks dug it... I knew a guy who had a '91 or so and put a 4.3L in it... it was pretty fucking slick.

:lol:

though my mitsubishi galant was shit! transmission went out twice.... fuck'n autos

I had a Sunbird and a Skyhawk. On one the odometer would go backwards occasionally, only stopping when you hit the brakes. On the other the windshield wipers would come on, only once when you turned corners. I also had to strike the dashboard regularly to fix the radio.

Real winners!!! :lmao:

i firmly disagree on k-car derivatives. ive owned two daytonas and they've been pretty damn durable. those early turbo engines required someone who wasnt a complete moron about doing maintenance

they missed the fiero. only rode in one once. about fifty feet down the road before it took a shit on itself

US automakers have no one to blame but themselves. They have run shitty businesses repleate with exhorbitant overhead producing products of inferior quality to their competitors.

The sooner they go out of business and Toyota, Honda, Nissan, and VW pick up that labor force the better.

The Nissan plan in TN is the shit. The pay and benefits are on par with the Saturn plant in TN. They just produce better vehicles.

EXACTLY... I firmly believe that if Toyota or Honda was a American founded automaker... all the other domestic brands would have been bankrupt long ago. they sell on the fact that 1 they're cheap and 2 that they're made in the US.

If the concern is that GM is "too big to fail" because of the loss of all those American jobs, why would Honda, Toyota, Nissan, etc. not build new plants and hire those displaced workers?

Wouldn't that give the US a domestic auto PRODUCTION industry without all the bad administrative and benefits legacy problems of Ford, GM, and Chrysler?

If GM, Ford, and Chrysler were gone tomorrow, what would Americans buy? Who would produce those cars?

Sometimes bankruptcy helps an ailing company to become profitable. Other times it helps an irreparably damaged company cease to exist.

Wow...thats gotta be the most ass backwards list ever

the thing is... THEY WOULD... and from speaking to quite a few employee's of both domestic and import automakers plants in the us... the folks work'n for Toyota and Honda seem to be happier. they aren't worried about loosing their jobs at least.


how so? those cars listed did just as much damage to us automakers reps as their own fuck ups... prior to Toyota and Honda... 100K was a HUGE mark... you'd rarely own a vehicle past 100k cause 1. it wouldn't last much longer... 2. it took a HUGE hit to it's value. I'd say Toyota and Honda are the reason that's no longer the case.

shit I haven't bought a truck in the last 5 years that had UNDER 100k (yes all toyota's) go back to the 80's... I'd be wear'n a straight jacket.