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101lifts2 04-06-2010 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by KSGregman (Post 358046)
I think you're missing my point.

Consuming a soda that contains HFCS is a CHOICE...an UNHEALTHY choice...and I don't feel sorry for people who want to play the victim for CHOOSING to do something unhealthy....consuming shit food....smoking...you name it.

It seems wicked juvenile to say "I'm gonna eat shit foods or smoke all I want" in one breath and then say "I'm fat or I have lung cancer and it's the fault of HFCS or cigarettes" in the next.

No...actually...it's YOUR fault for CHOOSING to consume things that you KNOW aren't good for you.

Beautiful...end of discussion.

101lifts2 04-06-2010 09:28 PM

Apoc you cannot have it both ways....If you are for a Nationalized Healthcare system, then you have to control the sheep. You cannot say HFCS is OK, then pay for everyone's healthcare. That doesn't fly. So..in effect, Avatard has a more valid stance stating to pull it from the market since he is also for Nationalized Healthcare.

Me on the other hand, say fuck eat whatever you want (as long as the FDA keeps out toxic or cancer causing foods out), but I'm not paying for your healthcare bill, therefore get as fat as u like.

Avatard 04-06-2010 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 101lifts2 (Post 358567)
Apoc you cannot have it both ways....If you are for a Nationalized Healthcare system, then you have to control the sheep. You cannot say HFCS is OK, then pay for everyone's healthcare. That doesn't fly. So..in effect, Avatard has a more valid stance stating to pull it from the market since he is also for Nationalized Healthcare system.

This was my point. Either the FDA controls everything, or not.

If it's NOT, and we instead go for "caveat emptor", then fine...but then I want my Ephedra, and my Sodium Cyclamate back.

shmike 04-07-2010 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Avatard (Post 358535)
But you would be wrong, because the government subsidizes the growth of corn. There's a reason why they're trying to shove it into every fucking orifice we have, they have shitloads of the crap.

Yes there is lots of it.

However...

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Originally Posted by Captain Morgan (Post 358485)
If people start picking foods without HFCS, manufacturers will quit using it. But people are lazy and don't fucking care. Period.

It's how a free market works.

Apoc 04-07-2010 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 101lifts2 (Post 358567)
Apoc you cannot have it both ways....If you are for a Nationalized Healthcare system, then you have to control the sheep. You cannot say HFCS is OK, then pay for everyone's healthcare. That doesn't fly. So..in effect, Avatard has a more valid stance stating to pull it from the market since he is also for Nationalized Healthcare.

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Im not American, so quite frankly, the healthcare arguement doesnt affect me. And im not against putting warning labels on HFCS, the problem is, people know the shit is unhealthy already. A warning wont make a difference.

But, banning it is not going to solve the obesity problem. Obese people, for the most part, have no desire to change themselves. You can pull it off the market, and make soda with sugar again. Its still not going to be good for them, and its not going to stop them from drinking the shit.

You know as well as I do, when you raise blood sugar levels, the body stores fat. Table sugar raises insulin levels, almost as quickly as HFCS does, and makes the body store fat. Taking in more calories then you can burn, causes the body to store fat. You can take HFCS off the market, its not going to change the fact that people are greedy, and will constantly overeat.

KSGregman 04-07-2010 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Apoc (Post 358759)
And im not against putting warning labels on HFCS, the problem is, people know the shit is unhealthy already. A warning wont make a difference.

Agreed...cigarettes are a PERFECT example. The warning essentially reads "Consuming this product will KILL you"...and people still smoke the fucking things like there is no tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by Apoc (Post 358759)
You can take HFCS off the market, its not going to change the fact that people are greedy, and will constantly overeat.

Agreed...the source of the obesity problem does NOT lie with the food sources available in this country...it lies in the fact that people are not willing to take responsibility for themselves...for what they consume....and how much of it they consume.

Sean 04-07-2010 12:34 PM

The source of the problem is massive government subsidies on corn, making corn products cheap as hell. That's what allows them to put HFCS in damn near everything. The problem is not a nutritional one so much as a financial one.

Avatard 04-07-2010 02:42 PM

Thank you. No more calls, please...we have a winner.

Avatard 04-07-2010 03:03 PM

We are effectively subsidizing the erosion of public health. Seems like we're spending money only to make everyone sick, and cost us more money.

I'll say it again: Make Ethanol with it.

shmike 04-07-2010 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Avatard (Post 358893)
I'll say it again: Make Ethanol with it.

How about: Quit subsidizing it.


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