Whp is about 105 vs 155.
Torque around 40 vs 80.

That's what I thought. There's much less difference between the 9 and 12 in Buells than between the 600 and 1000.

Lol, thanks for all the new replies today.... i was about to post last night and give the website a new name.... ADDmotoEnthusiasts.com

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didn't say that under 25 makes everyone wheelie... re-read what I wrote... I was talking about convincing themselves... talking themselves into something that they don't need for one reason or another... it's something I'm sure a lot of us did/do if we're honest with ourselves... I know i did... A LOT...

that's not to say that sub 25 year olds can't make sound decisions... just that, for me at least, it was harder, MUCH harder when it involved something I wanted a lot but had to be realistic about

I wheelied when I was 25 :D

The 1125 is rock solid with the Corsa III's on it.
A touch twitchy when straight up with PP's on it.

I don't think it's a beginer bike, IMO.

The XB's, maybe if the rider had some prior experience with something. But I've never ridden one myself, so I can't tell ya.

It's hard to say but the old Lightning was butt fucking slow!!! Wow! It couldn't get out of it's own way.

Um. Are you sure your responsible enough for that liter? :lol: Because the old xb9 could still 0-60 in under 4 seconds. I hardly call that butt fucking slow.

How old are you? I'm talking the first generation Buells with the ooooolllldddd Harley motor. Like '95 or so. They handled well but whew between the shake,noise and sloooooowwwww revving motor,well it wasn't my cup of tea. Heck,I completely :zowned: one with my '88 V-Max before I got rid of it. (Man,I miss that bike...)

Numbers from Motorcyclist mag on '97 M2/S3 I believe that was when they put in the "new" "better" Harley motor;
M2 Cyclone ('97) 69.6 @ 5500 71.7 @ 4250 12.25 @ 106.1
S3T Thunderbolt ('97) 76.9 @ 5750 72.8 @ 5000 12.45 @ 107.3

I don't have the specs for the S1...trust me,it was bad. Like 14 sec 1/4s or something...

Anyway,a used S1 would be an ok newbie bike imo.

You realize 14 seconds is about the time for a 99-04 Mustang GT? I still don't see how you can say that it cant even get out of it's own wayy but ok. Sure it's not modern sportbike fast but it's still movin fast enough to get urself in a world of pain in a hurry.

Dude... a ninja 250 can do it in like 15 lol... 14 second quarter miles for a motorcycle is pitiful