See? THIS is where our disagreement seems to stem from. You seem to be willing to absolve people of their RESPONSIBILITY to educate themselves...take care of themselves. I'm not.

I'm all for this....no corn subsidies? PERFECT. Where do I sign up?

You just probably have more hope for humanity than I do. I don't necessarily want to "absolve" anyone of responsibility (BTW, its the same word in caps or lowercase :lol:), I just don't think the majority is capable of making good decisions on food or just about anything else.

Once again I move to my default argument: Jon and Kate Plus 8 was a popular American TV show.

I just returned from trying 8 different kinds of cheescakes, 2 new cookie doughs, a choc cake, a choc cheesecake, and 9 or so different kinds of bagels! I must do it, it's part of my job!! :lol: But guess what? I was hungry when I left cause I ate tiny slivers of each! Had to have some baked chicken and black eyed peas for lunch! ;) :)

everything begins with choice.

No. Wrong. Choice is an illusion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npn4oH0AifU

The flaw I find in your argument is that you the seem to advocate the fact that while the majority is incapable of good decisions or rational thought, the government is. :skep:

Yeah...OK, Neo...

Why don't you run along and phone call yourself off the grid while us rational people have a grown up discussion, OK?

Jesus Christ, Kaneman...I'm starting to see what you mean about some people. :lol:

Huh? I'm not advocating more government control.

How do you go from "I want an end to corn subsidies and a break from fast food culture" to "I want more government control" ?

I think he's trying to lighten things up. Still, the quotes in the video make an interesting point when it comes to matters of addiction and indulgence.

From quotes like this:

There were other subtle statements as well but I'm not going to go digging to tell you what you said....

Are corn subsidies bullshit, yes, should they be reconsidered, definitely.......But that is only 20% of the problem. The other 80% is consumer laziness and/or ignorance. If you have half a brain, when you become an adult you will know how to eat properly. For those who DONT have half a brain, fuck em.

I mean serious......Does every food you buy HAVE to have tons of cheese, salt, sugar, and white flour?

If you can read well enough to finish high school, you can read the fucking ingrediants.

Homeslice. Watch that video that Sean posted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

(Yes, it's long as hell, boring at times, but it's the final word on ALL of this, with all of the science checked backwards, and forwards to back it up)

It's not the fat, the cheese, the salt, or the flour...it's the fructose. It metabolizes very much like alcohol (ethanol), exclusively in the liver. It does not tell the brain it was fed (bypasses leptin), actually MAKING you hungry and is...in a word; TOXIC.

I also defy you to find more than 3 breads in your supermarket that DON'T have HFCS added. It's in nearly everything, and unless you become a fucking food freak, you'd be hard pressed to avoid this shit entirely.