How is mine the only "ignorant" post, when I was simply agreeing with what a couple other people said?

The whole point was, if society says that men can't have a choice in whether a women has the baby, then they shouldn't be forced to pay for one either.

And as far as your statement about equal pay for equal work.......Yes, I know there have been tons of studies confirming that there's a pay gap between men and women, but that doesn't prove there's a conspiracy to hold women down. In my experience, men are simply more aggressive about their careers than women are, especially when it comes to asking for promotions and raises.

I understand the practicallity in this society is impossible. However, it's my opinion on the matter. I don't agree with welfare either. I think it should be voluntary, like charity.

All the more reason to make sure that a man pays his part for the child that he created. I also don't want to have to step over dead women and children to get into the supermarket.

Yep...again.

I do, babies are exceptionally soft. Dead baby shoes would rock.

Paul, great first post, Im just going to ignore the second one.

Trip, I think you are just arguing to hear yourself arguing.

Paul summed it up perfectly in his post about the responsibilities involved. If a woman makes the choice and the guy disagrees then decides to walk, whats fair about that? If a woman is 100% sure she doesnt want to do it and pretty sure the guy is gonna walk later anyway, why should she have to suffer so he can change his mind later.

Nobody can have it both ways. Guys dont want to worry about a woman making the choice for them? 1)Dont fuck everything with breasts. 2)Get snipped 3)Abstinence

My response was aimed at your attitiude that women obviously shouldnt have rights. Thats all.

What exactly are we given that has anything to do with our fairer sex. History shows that the "fairer sex" has had to fight to get what we have today, we werent "given" anything.

I brought up the pay and equality in response to your statement as a general example of how obviously women do not get whatever they want because we're women.

Really.........Please point out where I said anything like that.

Funny, aren't you the one who accused Smittie of putting words in your mouth last week?

Well first of all....obviously these women are fecking too or they wouldn't be getting pregnant...so it's not just the men.

I still feel it's just not fair/right that the guy has NO say so...he just has to stand on the sideline until the woman makes the choice. Like I said earlier...what if he does want the baby and she doesn't...he's heartbroken and she can just say too bad so sad I'm aborting...BUT if she wants the baby and he doesn't...he is forced in to it and has to write a check every month for 18 years...I still say that's BS. Give the baby to the guy and you write the check every month for 18 years.

Oh and by the way I've been snipped...wasn't falling in to this chit.

Why cause I don't agree with your opinion? No, actually I have a strong opinion on the matter.

If she wants the baby and the guy wants nothing to do with it, she gets to shoulder the responsibility. If she can't shoulder it, get rid of the baby. It's not that hard.

It's better than if the guy wants the baby and she doesn't, tough shit; and if she wants the baby and the guy doesnt, tough shit. Guys suddenly get a say in the process and suddenly it's unfair...

He wouldn't be able to change his mind later, if he abandoned the child, that's it he's out of the picture. He has no parental rights or connection to the child. If you are going to set up child support payments, it's a load easier to sign a paper in court to say you waive parental responsibility.

BTW, women are just as much of whores as guys and can also get their tubes tied or burn up their vag or not fuck.