One issue regarding pay equity is frequently glossed over in surveys and studies; pregnancy. When a woman takes maternal leave, she essentially puts her career development on hold. She's still technically employed by the company, in whatever capacity, but isn't rising through the ranks. While she may have been with the company for 10 years, two+ of those may well have been effectively eliminated by maternal leave. This impacts income, when compared to a man in the same job and with the same perceived seniority.

With the advent of "parental leave" this may change, but it's going to take decades more before anything like parity is possible.

Yea...so...it's kind of like the guy not having any choice about abortion...just doesn't seem right does it ? :lol:

If she doesn't want this to happen...practice abstinence or have her tubes tied or don't feck everything with a fertile d!ck...isn't that how Chi put it to the guys ? :rofl:

plus billion :lol:

I think my option brings the abortion debate to everyone. Some women would never consider abortion, but want the option there. If unwilling partners were allowed to abandon the women who want to be able to trap their partners instead of using abortions, the issue would hit much closer to home for a lot of women.

Fuck. I had a good post all typed out and it disappeared.


Nice try Homie. :lol:

Trip - FYI- You find a doc that will allow a woman to permanently remove her ability to bear children before she has them and even when it could cause harm to her to bear a child and I'll pay you $20. Not gonna happen. Dr's refuse to allow a woman of childbearing age to get "snipped" burned or remove our guts in the event that we might change our minds. Ask me how I know.

You guys want to bitch about having a choice in the matter? You do. Read my previous post or put a condom on. Want to make double sure, use a spermicide cream AND a condom.

Its your job just as much as a womans to make sure she doesnt get pregnant. I never said it wasnt and I never said it was only the guys responsibilty. You guys are just the ones bitching about a female getting knocked up like its all her fault.

That should be changed if that's the case. Women should be allowed to get snipped.

You keep repeating the same tired argument, one I have already agreed to. We both have options preconception, that's understandable, completely.... It does not have to be reiterated anymore. This would give both parties equal footing post conception.

Abortions would have to be a reasonable option and easily available for this to work though. Women who like to trap their men, would no longer find this easy. Men could easily walk and abortion would have to be an easy choice so those women could get rid of it and attempt to trap their prey another way.

I knew I shouldn't have re-entered this thread :lol:

The ONLY way for either party to be considered not part of the decision is to have a contract prior to fucking in the first place. Don't put your dick in the hole and you won't be any part of the equation. That is the ONLY way to be 100% sure. OK, so if you have it snipped there is a .00000002% chance. It's still a chance.

For women it's a bigger decision than to raise a child. There are mental and physical ramifications that should be considered.

You're right. Sadly there is no RIGHT way to do any of this.

As far as the whole getting a woman snipped, its pretty much impossible. Women dont have the right to make that decision for themselves, otherwise I'd have done it as soon as I became a legal adult.

"They" say they dont do the procedures because a woman could change their mind and that when a woman reaches 25 they will consider it, but Dr's still refuse to do it until a woman is well beyond her child bearing years, making it often redundant. If you already have a child or 2, they will do it because you've had your children annd apparently its not until you have one that you know you dont want any. Or anymore.

I've purposefully not read some of the responses just to keep my sanity. :lol

There are mental ramifications to men, we have emotions and our experiences effect us contrary to popular stereotype.

This is all a power game, it's that simple. No one actually wants it to be "fair."