Watch out Cali folk...
 

Christopher Dorner’s Manifesto (the guy with a vengeance against the LAPD who is gunning people down)

http://ktla.com/2013/02/07/read-chri...#axzz2KEo0HhHL

I've known way too many cops.....and heard WAY too much about corruption to be remotely surprised at this. In fact, I'm shocked it doesn't happen MUCH more often

Whoa...

unedited
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative...SplittedPage=0

Don't drive a blue truck in LA today.
LAPD will shoot on site anyone driving a blue truck
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...omen-shot.html

Wow, so now the LAPD is just shooting up anybody in a blue Nissan Titan? Maybe Dorner has the right idea.

Tacoma

HIS truck is a Grey titan..that one was a blue tacoma. Wrong make...wrong model, wrong color, wrong SEX

Killing innocents is NEVER the right idea (disclaimer)


But damn if everything is true he wrote about....he's been seriously fucked over for a while!

They found what they think is HIS truck in Big Bear burned.

He has multiple .50 cal rifles and sniper training (Navy claimed he wasn't that good though) and he KNOWS the LAPD's procedures.

He's an LAPD officers worst nightmare! And now you've go nervous TRIGGER HAPPY cops on the prowl for someone hunting THEM. I bet 1/2 the force is shitting their pants. You KNOW the upper brass is 3 degrees of bent because this is an internal affairs nightmare come true

I wonder if anything real will ever be exposed in the LAPD as a result of this...

Best part is, even from the photo (and despite the bullet holes) I can tell that vehicle is a Toyota Tacoma. It is starting to look like there are no good guys in this scenario.

Look at PART of what he said..about the promotions after Rodney King. Those can be verified thru public record.

20-1 the smear campaign will start by the 6:00 news out there. They've got to get busy with character assassination on this guy in order to maintain control.

I bet psychological evaluations are already being put in front of the media (whether falsified or true)

I'm not Baby-G by any means.....but I'm not a fool either

David Ayer is current considering a copyright claim against Dorner.

It's one thing to shout "the government is coming to kill us all!" because DHS bought some ammunition for their weapons. It's another thing to shout it because the government is actively pulling the trigger.

Shooting two women who are delivering newspapers out of an import truck because there's a cop-killer on the loose in an import truck? That's Iraqi death-blossom shit. Have a little goddamn trigger discipline if you're going to carry on the job, or find yourself a nice cushy desk and some doughnuts.

Buying some ammo is one thing, buying 1.6B rounds over the past 10 months is a bit questionable...

Yep.

Especially when you subscribe to multiple media outlets and see whats going on outside the bubble the gobment along with CNN/MSNBC/Fox wants you to focus on.

On a related note KTLA interviews are using the word "snapped" several times. This guy didn't SNAP. He created a FB page 3 weeks ago and filled it with POSITIVE information about himself because he was preparing for the character assassination he knew would come after his death

https://www.facebook.com/chris.dorner.7

Questionable from a budgetary perspective, maybe.

DHS has 240,000 employees. If even only a quarter of those employees are armed, 1.6B works out to about 27K rounds per shooter. Seems like a lot at first glance. But then I remember 1000 round weeks at the range. Some jobs burn through that in a day, for training alone.

oh yeah he's a sane one :rolleyes:

:skep: You don't read many books do you .... that, or you're not honest about what you ACTUALLY think from time to time.


Reading his whole manifesto, (this may sound scary but shit I'll say it) I have to say I can see where he's coming from.

But having said that.......there's a HUGE difference in thinking something and SAYING it.....and then there's the HUGE leap from verbalizing terrible thoughts and actually going thru with them. So he's made two huge leaps from where most of us stand. But at some point....he's stood where a lot of us have in the past.

Second truck attacked by mistake

Woops LAPD did it again!

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/liv...truck4_500.JPG

I saw a lot of video from Cali yesterday. All officers are now carrying their shotguns and rifles with them and they pulled all motorcycle cops into patrol cars for the duration!
As for the shooting of the women, I can see situations where it was an honest mistake. Yes, it was the wrong vehicle but, wasn't it early in low-light? I'm asking, I'm not sure but, if they were delivering papers it should have been early. Add the incredible stress and tension of the situation to the mix and you've got scared cops. If the ladies didn't respond properly to any commands from the cops or if they made a move that to them might not seem threatening (like reaching for registration in the glove-box) then I can understand how it could go crazy very quickly. I'm not saying that's what happened because I wasn't there. However, anything is possible.
As for him being "not very good" at being a sniper. That probably means he can only hit you from 500 yards consistently instead of 1,000 or more. I wouldn't want to be a cop in Cali right now!
It would be nice if he were taken alive so that things could come out but, considering all the allegations, I'm sure the order is to take him out.

Ok, I just read that latest report. I can definitely see how the first incident happened. Scared cops protecting a potential target; it's dark, a dark pickup rolls up right in front with its' lights off. I can see it.

HOWEVER! The second one has no excuse! Confusing a Honda truck with ANY other truck (except maybe an Avalanche) is ridiculous. Thank God the cops aren't good shots! Otherwise, there would be three dead innocents!

Yep. Streaming KTLA right now....smear campaign and character assassination has begun



Interesting Anderson Cooper package

He wasn't even called a nigger, he just overheard it being used! And he gets physical about it? Talk about overly sensitive. I could see doing that outside work at a bar or something, but not during work.

And then he writes about thoughts of killing someone over that, in the same letter where he's trying to get sympathy? How stupid can you be?

We all know about the Blue Line and corruption and the good ol boy network, but I'm sorry, this guy sounds like someone who didn't know how to manage perceptions by other people. He probably came across as a whiner or outcast. I've been there. :lol:

And as for the complaints he submitted, that were ignored? One thing I've learned in life is that you can't expect others to stand up for you just because you're right. The sad truth is that you have to try to fit in, and kiss ass a little, or nobody is going to do shit for you. Being correct doesn't mean shit in this world.

Just remember that when the bailiff has his knee in your chest and you're on the ground gasping for air because you wouldn't stand when the judge came in the courtroom :pat:

As many times as he's referenced Rodney King, methinks a bit of racial bias has slipped in. He apparently sees Whitey as the devil trying to shove the Bible down his throat. All this A hole is trying to do is start another race riot.Which there will be as soon as the LEOs put him down.
I'll bet Jesse Jackson is on a plane there right now.

I can see it. I can understand it. I can't excuse it. This is not Fallujah*, this is Torrance, CA. You do not fire until you are clearly threatened. There are any number of steps the officers could have taken besides riddling the vehicle of innocent civilians with bullets (not to mention the innocent civilians themselves). They could have had the potential target take sufficient cover. They could have shined lights on the incoming truck. The list goes on.

I realize my criticism smacks of arm-chair quarter-backing, but I don't care. It's one thing to accidentally harm civilians while actively engaging a perpetrator. It's a completely different thing to gun down civilians while trying to engage a perpetrator who isn't even present. I have a very hard time believing that those women, had they been confronted as law enforcement officers are supposed to do, would have done anything but comply with the officers' instructions.

*Shit, we've sent our own troops in Iraq to jail for less than this.

If his manifesto is even 10% correct, we've got more criminals IN the LAPD than arrested BY the LAPD

Just remember kids, these are the only people in society that should be allowed to have guns.

If one trained guy can do this to one of the biggest agencies in the nation, just imagine 10, 100, 10,000 all at once nation wide.

I can definitely see this being used against us.

"If trained police professionals can make terrible mistakes like this then, we can't allow regular citizens to have guns!"

That's how I'd spin it if I were on the opposition.

It'd ring hollow, I think. Unless they put their money where their mouth is and take away longarms and semiauto pistols and give them S&W revolvers. Americans like to stick their heads in the sand and live in a bubble, but we're not stupid. If anything it'd strengthen the divide between politicians and their lackeys/enforcers and the rest of us.

Have CNN, Fox, or msnbc put any focus on the innocents getting shot up by the police, or are they glossing over it while making excuses for them?

He said he wasnt a bully in school and only got into fights when he was being picked on by classmates in his otherwise all white school. If thats true then I can definitely see him having some hatred of whites and joining the police force as a chance to have power over the people who tried to put him down. I dont know a ton of cops but the ones Ive met and the wannabe's Ive met seem to have that same mentality of the kid who got picked on for being small and started lifting weights to get respect.

Or you could say that if an army of armed and trained police officers cant defend themselves from one guy with a manifesto, whats a history teacher with a handgun going to do against a determined attacker.

Well fuckin' played, Troy! :shmike:

Yeah, kinda doubt they'd ever retaliate that much, unless it was some ultra-conservative hick-town

And the defensive Facebook page is gone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1sVTXWFu_U

Who was filming that? Micheal J Fox?

Interesting quote from reddit

Your bias against self defense and in this particular instance being afraid of shadows versus an active threat is out of place with reality. That's an apples and airplane comparison.


http://weaselzippers.us/2013/01/10/t...ing-up-school/

http://248shooter.com/index.php/detr...ots-attackers/

http://youtu.be/FgrIsuO5PLc

Or pulling a gun can get you paralyzed.
http://www.komonews.com/news/archive/4169986.html

Im not biased against self defense, I just dont believe that having a gun on my person will somehow protect me from incoming bullets.

And perhaps......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=8QjZY3WiO9s

Did you watch the YouTube video? Suzanna was in that situation. Being armed isn't a guarantee of success its a chance vs no chance. That Lubys was a mile from my house before I moved to Austin. Its a Chinese buffet now.

No! That video is a farce. The "bad guy" knows who is armed in advance and where they are in the class. It's bullshit. There's a guy that was in that video that posted on arf that he traded places and was across the room from where the CHL holder was supposed to be in the skit. When the bad guy broke in he got him. That ended up on the cutting room floor.

Seems to me that they were chopping up random people until the "armed defender" showed him or herself.

Yeah, and the AR-15 forum is the heart and soul of impartiality :lol:

The premise of that video is sound, given all of the studies regarding armed interaction. Admittedly it was roughly 25 years ago (read it around the time that I got out of college) but a former military man and police commander did a study of police gunfights and determined that on balance they took place at something less than 20 feet, emptied the weapons, and rarely resulted in injury by gunshot. And THAT involved people who were trained for it.

An active participants testimony doesn't count now because of where he posted it?

Police in America aren't nearly as trained as you think they are. http://forums.officer.com/t9835/ Some shoot as little as twice a year. That's why you see some of those outrageous round count to hit ratios. Shooting quickly and accurately is a quickly perishable skill.

You're also assuming that he was an actual participant ;)

The point isn't that police are frequently under-trained, but that the average civilian is completely UN-trained.

lol

http://i.imgur.com/6kiHPXe.jpg

$1mil bounty and drone's look for his ass.....

Funny, it would be funnier if it didn't make sense to do that.

http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/...425342221.jpeg

http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/...490234610.jpeg

http://ionenewsone.files.wordpress.c...eg?w=635&h=474

Human shield

another officer?

I literally do not understand what the figurative fuck I just read...

don't go scuba diving in California. They think they saw him with scuba tanks at a sporting goods store. LOL

Even though he tried to steal a boat......I still think the tanks (2 small and one large) would be more for a breathing apparatus to survive tear gas and NOT to go snorkeling.

He shows clear signs of thinking ahead. I would bet he had a firemans mask and or gear to combat smoke/tear gas and that's what these are for.

Based on past performance it would also be a good idea to stay away from fire extinguishers and 3 Litre bottles of Coke.

Spotted at the Grammys


http://i.imgur.com/dBSSF1N.jpg

He apparently was holding two people hostage in a cabin. Shootout is ongoing apparently.

Clueless......should have left the mountains a long time ago

his cabin is on fire, most likely dead, I wonder if the police Wacoed him.

The last report I heard said there were no hostages after all but, you know how these "as it happens" reports are.
Also, if he was the person with the scuba tanks, I bet his plan was to let them gas the place and wait to pick them off when they came in. That may still be the case. I wonder if this location is a random thing or part of a plan made long ago? If it's part of a plan, this may get ugly. I'd love to see him brought in alive but, I sincerely doubt that happening.

cops are going to shoot his ass no matter if he surrenders or not.

It'll be like Ned and Uncle Jimbo hunting rabbits.

They're saying it was him in the cabin:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2649763.html

So if you are a charred body in Cali, might want to invest in a bulletproof vest right about now. Lol

Oh, he'll be back. With a floppy fedora, a striped sweater, and finger blades.

Updated: 02/13/2013 5:50 am EST

Convenient...maybe a little too much?

"Hello Dorner. Time for judgment. < BLAM! > OK boys, burn it down."

But first....let me grab his wallet so it doesn't burn :rockwoot: We'll chuck that back into the ashes later to speed up the ID process

Breaking news:

Chris Evans was shot by the LAPD while in his Human Torch costume from the Fantastic 4 movie.

:/

Wonder if they consulted with the owner before they burned it..........wishful thinking, I know

Hmmmm

Considering his wallet was also found at a border crossing a couple of days earlier I'd say yes it is.

http://ktla.com/2013/02/12/feds-dorn...#axzz2KpaBfaWj

Two wallets! This guy is a genius.

Perhaps. Or maybe there's an empty envelope in the evidence room?

.....

Saw this today, thought of our brief off-topic sidebar:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...-many-bullets/

Christopher Dorner has been named the new spokesperson for NicoDerm.

He quit smoking, you can too!

JC

Lol

The two newspaper delivery women who were shot at during the manhunt for Christopher Dorner will not be getting a new replacement truck as promised by the LAPD, according to their attorney Glen Jonas.

It has been more than a month since LAPD Chief Charlie Beck promised the truck to Emma Hernandez, 71, and her daughter, Margie Carranza, who had been working in Torrance, Calif. before dawn on Feb. 7.

Police said it was a "case of mistaken identity" that prompted officers to open fire on the women. Beck later apologized and promised to replace their truck, now riddled with bullet holes.

According to Jonas, LAPD and Galpin Ford wanted his clients to pose for a photo opportunity and pay income tax on the truck. The women no longer want the truck after they were told they needed to fill out a 1099 form for the donation, Jonas said Monday.

"You tried to murder the woman, now you're telling her she can't have a four-wheel drive, you're telling her she can't sell it and you've got to be taxed on it?" Jonas said. "How would anyone react to that?"

Jonas plans on filing a government claim, which is a precursor to any lawsuit filed against a government agency. He said he felt the truck was being touted as a "reward or prize" instead of a sincere gesture by the LAPD.

Galpin Ford estimates the value of the truck – a 2013 Ford 150 SuperCrew – at $32,560. The dealership had planned on paying the sales tax, vehicle registration and title on the truck, according to a dealership spokesperson.

"It's really sad for us because we want to help these women move on with their lives, and help them move forward with that, we just can't get past the 1099 issue," LAPD Cmdr. Andrew Smith said. "The government has to take their bite out of it, I guess."

The women's Toyota Tacoma was pierced with 102 bullet holes from the Feb. 7 shooting, according to Jonas. Emma Hernandez is still recovering from two bullet wounds to her neck, which are giving her life-threatening complications, according to Jonas, who described what his clients went through that morning.

"The grandmother, Emma, starts saying, ‘God have mercy on us,’ because she thinks for sure they're going to die," Jonas said. "She then clutches around the back seat of her daughter to protect her from the gun shots because her daughter has children."

The pair was driving a dark-colored pickup truck with its lights off when they slowly approached the home of an officer named in ex-officer Christopher Dorner’s angry manifesto. Apparently thinking Dorner was inside, police opened fire on the truck.

After the shooting, Jonas said he was shocked by the officers’ actions. He said neither the size of the women nor the blue Toyota Tundra truck they were in matched the description of Dorner's Nissan Titan.

Eight officers were involved in the shooting. They were assigned to non-field assignments "until the (police) chief decides otherwise."

All the more reason I say fuck California.

And they can take that bite from the LAPD :td:

There are times when I hate. This is one of them.

You are already buying the truck, why not reimburse the tax as well. Dumb phuck cops.

Apparently because they would rather pay a $10M settlement, than hand over a truck free and clear.