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tommymac 03-05-2010 08:07 AM

NFL free agency
 
Looks like the fun has already begun.

jets trade for cromartie

peppers going to chicago

burleson signing in detroit.


Sure this is just the beginning esp with an uncapped season.

What I dont getis how teams can place tenders on their restricted freeagents why do they get to set how many or what draft picks they get for compensation.

defector 03-05-2010 08:12 AM

I thought they can only place tenders on restricted free agents?
Unrestricted is exactly that: unrestricted = show me the $$.

I believe the tenders on restricted players are based on number of years in the league. Below six years, and they are worth a first rd pick, and above six years and they are worth a first and a third rd pick.

I think that is what they said yesterday.....

tommymac 03-05-2010 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by defector (Post 346411)
I thought they can only place tenders on restricted free agents?
Unrestricted is exactly that: unrestricted = show me the $$.

I believe the tenders on restricted players are based on number of years in the league. Below six years, and they are worth a first rd pick, and above six years and they are worth a first and a third rd pick.

I think that is what they said yesterday.....

Youre right, I need to change that, lil brain fart there :lol:

defector 03-05-2010 08:22 AM

Now they are saying something about 4yr guys being restricted (due to no cap) next year. Apparently, you only had to have 4 yrs in the league to be allowed unrestricted status?

Stuff is confusing, for sure.

Rider 03-05-2010 08:40 AM

Detriot also got Williams from Green Bay and will get Suh in the draft. Maybe the lions can turn it around this year........ wait, no they won't.

tommymac 03-05-2010 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rider (Post 346423)
Detriot also got Williams from Green Bay and will get Suh in the draft. Maybe the lions can turn it around this year........ wait, no they won't.

Are the lions using a 3-4? Suh is too small to play NT in that scheme. Not sure about the other DT that will be taken up top also if he will fit in that defense.

I dont think detroit is too far off from being a better team. Stafford is developing now you got a guy to takesome pressure off megatron. They were in a few more games this year too so time will tell.

karl_1052 03-05-2010 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by tommymac (Post 346410)
peppers going to chicago

If there is no cap, why not keep him?:?:

tommymac 03-05-2010 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by karl_1052 (Post 346434)
If there is no cap, why not keep him?:?:

peppers wants a long term deal (closest thing to job security) so he signs a fat contract an gets x amount of guaranteed money. There may be a lockout in 2011 and no one knows whats going to happen after that, so its a gamble.

I read the steelers aretreating this like a capped year and going about buiness as usual. I sure do hate them but they are quite good at running an organization.

Rider 03-05-2010 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by tommymac (Post 346427)
Are the lions using a 3-4? Suh is too small to play NT in that scheme. Not sure about the other DT that will be taken up top also if he will fit in that defense.

I dont think detroit is too far off from being a better team. Stafford is developing now you got a guy to takesome pressure off megatron. They were in a few more games this year too so time will tell.

4-3

z06boy 03-05-2010 09:20 AM

Peppers redflip

tommymac 03-05-2010 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Rider (Post 346451)
4-3

Then its a good pick filling a need and good value.

Rider 03-05-2010 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by tommymac (Post 346458)
Then its a good pick filling a need and good value.

Heck yeah, I just hope St Louis takes Bradford or Clausen.

tommymac 03-05-2010 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Rider (Post 346461)
Heck yeah, I just hope St Louis takes Bradford or Clausen.

Suh and tht other DT are supposed to be monsters ( I am skeptical of taking DT's so high) so they should wind up with one of them. the rams have alot of needs and should trade down, I just dont think anyone will want to jump up to take a DT. Its not like theres a sure fire franchise QB comming out this year.

Rider 03-05-2010 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by tommymac (Post 346466)
Suh and tht other DT are supposed to be monsters ( I am skeptical of taking DT's so high) so they should wind up with one of them. the rams have alot of needs and should trade down, I just dont think anyone will want to jump up to take a DT. Its not like theres a sure fire franchise QB comming out this year.

Well the Lions already have Stafford so they don't need a QB. D and O lines are where they need the most help. Might as well get a play maker like Suh when you have a chance. He won't be there in the second round.

tommymac 03-05-2010 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rider (Post 346473)
Well the Lions already have Stafford so they don't need a QB. D and O lines are where they need the most help. Might as well get a play maker like Suh when you have a chance. He won't be there in the second round.

This is a deep draft for lineman esp on the interior so they should get a playmaker in the second round too.

z06boy 03-05-2010 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by tommymac (Post 346466)
Suh and tht other DT are supposed to be monsters

Suh IS a monster.

karl_1052 03-05-2010 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tommymac (Post 346436)
peppers wants a long term deal (closest thing to job security) so he signs a fat contract an gets x amount of guaranteed money. There may be a lockout in 2011 and no one knows whats going to happen after that, so its a gamble.

I read the steelers aretreating this like a capped year and going about buiness as usual. I sure do hate them but they are quite good at running an organization.

I remember commentators saying he could make $22M this year if he stayed.

How does a lockout/strile affect salaries? Do they get paid for that year?

tommymac 03-05-2010 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by karl_1052 (Post 346509)
I remember commentators saying he could make $22M this year if he stayed.

How does a lockout/strile affect salaries? Do they get paid for that year?

They dont get paid while out of work, but no one knows what the cap situation will be like going forward from there.

defector 03-05-2010 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tommymac (Post 346436)
I read the steelers aretreating this like a capped year and going about buiness as usual. I sure do hate them but they are quite good at running an organization.


This is what any smart team should do.

Back to the OT, I noticed that for restricted players, the current team has like 10 days to match any contract offered. Is there anything to keep the original team from stalling for 10 days on the contract match? You could really screw a team wanting one of your restricted players. They would have to set that $ aside for that player (assuming you get them, otherwise why offer a contract), and then if you wait 10 days to match, they lose out on 10 days (potentially) of other free agent player negotiations.

tommymac 03-05-2010 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by defector (Post 346540)
This is what any smart team should do.

Back to the OT, I noticed that for restricted players, the current team has like 10 days to match any contract offered. Is there anything to keep the original team from stalling for 10 days on the contract match? You could really screw a team wanting one of your restricted players. They would have to set that $ aside for that player (assuming you get them, otherwise why offer a contract), and then if you wait 10 days to match, they lose out on 10 days (potentially) of other free agent player negotiations.

I thought it was 7 days, and I think a team prety much has to make a decision in that time. Some teams can screw with you by making a ridiculous offer, so either you risk loosing that player or you have to match that contract.

The edmonton oilers did it to the sabres with thomas vanek a few yrs ago.

I would think most teams already more or less know what price they will pay for a restricted FA vs letting him go. Plus teams place a lot of value on draft picks so theyre not all that willing to part with them.

defector 03-05-2010 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tommymac (Post 346543)
I thought it was 7 days, and I think a team prety much has to make a decision in that time. Some teams can screw with you by making a ridiculous offer, so either you risk loosing that player or you have to match that contract.

The edmonton oilers did it to the sabres with thomas vanek a few yrs ago.

I would think most teams already more or less know what price they will pay for a restricted FA vs letting him go. Plus teams place a lot of value on draft picks so theyre not all that willing to part with them.

Maybe it is 7...hell I don't know. :lol

Just heard that it can go both ways - Steve Hutchinson had some ridiculous thing in his contract offer. I will post it when I can confirm it.

tommymac 03-05-2010 01:02 PM

Detroit landed vanden bosch from tenn. That should be a good short term plan to shore up the d-line

tached1000rr 03-05-2010 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tommymac (Post 346568)
Detroit landed vanden bosch from tenn. That should be a good short term plan to shore up the d-line

yep, and I say add Suh to the d-line too and let Bosch mentor him.

tommymac 03-14-2010 06:12 PM

Brady Quinn to the broncos, interesting trade. Wonder if he is now a career back up or may get a chance as a starter.

tached1000rr 03-14-2010 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tommymac (Post 349496)
Brady Quinn to the broncos, interesting trade. Wonder if he is now a career back up or may get a chance as a starter.

wow, had not heard that.

tommymac 03-14-2010 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tached1000rr (Post 349502)
wow, had not heard that.

just saw it on espn.com guess holmgren is realy cleaning house

tached1000rr 03-14-2010 06:37 PM

I'm still waiting to hear where LT lands....

tommymac 03-14-2010 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tached1000rr (Post 349509)
I'm still waiting to hear where LT lands....

Seems like the jets from wat the locals are saying but obviously theyre biased :lol:

tommymac 03-14-2010 06:42 PM

fack I guess its true

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4994748

tached1000rr 03-14-2010 06:48 PM

What do yall think about the Browns signing Delhomme? As a panthers fan I'm glad to see him go.

tommymac 03-14-2010 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tached1000rr (Post 349524)
What do yall think about the Browns signing Delhomme? As a panthers fan I'm glad to see him go.

good move, get a young QB and let him develop, holmgren knows a thing or 2 about qb's ;)

Rider 03-15-2010 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by tached1000rr (Post 349524)
What do yall think about the Browns signing Delhomme? As a panthers fan I'm glad to see him go.

Bring back Chris Wienke. :lol

goof2 03-15-2010 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tommymac (Post 349526)
good move, get a young QB and let him develop, holmgren knows a thing or 2 about qb's ;)

Delhomme isn't a young QB. He is 35 and this will be his 13th year in the league.

tached1000rr 03-15-2010 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Rider (Post 349642)
Bring back Chris Wienke. :lol

only if it's to dry off the footballs with a towel:lol

tommymac 03-15-2010 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by goof2 (Post 349666)
Delhomme isn't a young QB. He is 35 and this will be his 13th year in the league.

Well duh :lol: delhome is just a stogap for now. I can see holmgren either drafting a qb this year or next. Clausen or Bradford may be around when they pick. Or if they realy shit the bed this year they may be in position to grab that kid from washington next year. I do like how holmgren has kinda cleaned house this year and will prolly continue by firing mangini next year ;)

goof2 03-15-2010 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by tommymac (Post 349693)
Well duh :lol: delhome is just a stogap for now. I can see holmgren either drafting a qb this year or next. Clausen or Bradford may be around when they pick. Or if they realy shit the bed this year they may be in position to grab that kid from washington next year. I do like how holmgren has kinda cleaned house this year and will prolly continue by firing mangini next year ;)

I wasn't sure what you were saying.

tommymac 03-15-2010 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by goof2 (Post 349699)
I wasn't sure what you were saying.

Holmgren has some sort of grand plan, prolly a bit of an ego too after taing 2 different teams to the super bowl.

With everything their fans hae been through its about time that team started having some success. May take a year or 2 but I think he wll turn them around


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