High Fructose Corn Syrup Causes More Weight Gain Than Sugar
 

http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/a.../S26/91/22K07/

um, duh. that's because they put that shit in EVERYTHING these days.

just more facts. that shit needs to be outlawed

Yeah right, that would be like the government going against itself. There are lots of incentives for doing all this crap with corn. There would be a lot of people out of business if they outlawed this.

The government is not responsible for making rules and laws to protect you from yourself. You have the information, you can control what goes in your body. If you think it's a serious health risk, then don't consume it. Pretty simple.

food companies finding cheap (and pretty much almost always) unhealthy alternatives to ingredients needs to be outlawed.

IMO, corn is a bigger source of health problems in America than Tobacco. Corn subsidies are out of control and like Prtcl said, EVERYTHING has fucking corn in it...even the meat you eat (unless you buy from a small farm or something).

Colbert actually did a bit about this the other day, showed some cat litter that is now made from 100% corn. "In America we have so much food we let our pets shit on it."

Check out "Food Inc." They have it on Netflix streaming, if you didn't already know where you food comes from you're not going to like what you see.

well aware. take a look at King Corn, and Food, Inc. both amazing documentaries on the subject. The incentives, basically comprising of 60% of a farmer's (who grows corn) income was put in place with a historical food bill in the early 70's. It's all been put in place and continued to be protected by gov't officials , and lobbyists that were in execs in the industry. it's a giant stroke fest, and they are literally killing the country in the process of making a dishonest buck.
This is why the food bill needs to re-worked, and most of the bullshit needs to be brought to light and outlawed. I think in the same vein, Anybody at an official level in the gov't should have total financial transparency , so anyone can check and see if they are making profits where they should not be. too much goddam corruption.

That's a nice sentiment, but it doesn't work that way in the real world. My wife and I have been trying, very diligently, to avoid processed foods and those made with corn. Even with me not working and having the time during the day to research and shop for healthy groceries, its nearly an impossible task. It would certainly be impossible (at least here in DFW) for a family where both parents work full-time.

See, its the government themselves that are responsible for this current predicament due to their agricultural policy. I agree that people need to be responsible for their own intake, and know where their food comes from....but unless you own and operate a working farm/ranch then you're shit out of luck.

That's two recommendations for Food Inc. Watch it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eKYyD14d_0

I've seen Food Inc. a couple of times. It's a good doc.

you guys see King Corn? it is more about the food bill and corn industry from start to finsh. Food inc is a bit broader and covers a bunch of other subjects within the food industry that also needs to be addressed.

HFCS is bad for you, very bad. As a mater for fact I avoid corn in any form. Corn serves no purpose but to fatten cows and hogs and provide renewable fuel.

renewable fuel?? are you talking about ethanol? ethanol is a net negative energy. it costs more fuel to grow and process than it produces.

I haven't seen King Corn...I'll try to find it though.

Does anything else think its ironic that corn is the one food you eat and shit out whole.....yet we put it in EVERYTHING?

But you know, the truth of it is, is you're poor or struggling to feed a family....you won't be able to afford healthy foods. But you can damn sure hit up that dollar menu.

helps clean the ole pipes too LOL

I actualy like corn so I guess i am part of the evil empire :lol:

Dude, nothing wrong with some good ol' grilled corn on the cob. But when everything you consume contains corn that it becomes a problem.

thats the point of it all, how is it possible that 1$ hamburger exists? greed.

Leaving the dollar menu behind was the hardest thing I've ever done. Harder than quitting tobacco (so far) and harder the quitting Walmart.

Its the convienience of fast food thats the killer. Since I have moved I have cut down on eating FF since there realy arent any places right by my house. But going home from the hospital I pass at least 5 mcdonalds restaurants that are hardly out of the way of my ride home.

i stopped eating that bullshit in college so it was not hard for me. In fact, i never even loved it as a kid. But there are some chemicals in that crap that make it addicting , just like a drug, when you eat enough of it. When you get off of it long enough, and you pass one with a window down, the stench of it makes you sick.

ever see Super- Size Me ? the guy goes on a nothing-but-McDonalds binge for 1 month around the country. he nearly died.

I happen to like corn cob pipes (aka Missouri Meerschaum) and let us not forget corn for whiskey :D
(or was that part of the 'renewable fuel' thing?)

oh, and just because I'm feeling sweet...

It's not just corn though. Flour and potatoes are bad for you as well. Meat, fruit, and vegetables are all we need to maintain proper health.

Funny, how I get laughed at for talking about ingrediants and healthy eating, and then I come to this thread where people are making more extreme diet recommendations than I ever have :lol:

BTW, potatoes are not "bad" for you unless you're a sedentary person who never exercises, in which case they can lead to weight gain because they're fast-burning carbs. Sweet potatoes on the other hand, don't burn nearly as fast, and are actually quite good for you.

Sweet potato fries rock.

This is exactly the problem.... it's more costly to eat healthy, yet it would save money in the long run (less sick time used away from work, less dr visits, less health problems). Yes... those are broad generalizations, but aren't those the same generalizations that are being made in the push to get away from the overprocessed foods?

Much nom has been had on sweet potato fries. Though not at once, mind you. LOL

All the money they're planning on spending to get uninsured people insured......How about spending some of that money encouraging those people to eat better? Things like brown rice and black-eyed peas are affordable even to poor people, and they're a lot healthier than most of the crap those people eat. Or how about spending some money improving the shitty food they serve at school cafeterias?

You fatten livestock with corn.

I have been saying this about HFCS for YEARS, despite industry claims that it has the same ratio of Sucrose to Fructose as Table Sugar, the sudden spike in US obesity having coincided with the widespread soft drink industry shift to HFCS was already a pretty damning bit of evidence for anyone paying fucking attention, but it sure is nice to see the fuckers in lab coats confirm my suspicions.

That's Jamie Oliver's job.

http://www.jamieoliver.com/campaigns...ood-revolution

I like HFCS.:lol:

This thread is corny.

However, I like sugar colas better than HFCS colas. It is the HFCS that makes me drink my whiskey straight anymore.

Quoted for truth. Nothing more to add.

Are you serious? Try this...no high frutcose corn syrup..

Tuna
Eggs
Cottage Cheeze
Rice
Pasta
Fruit
Vegetables
Chicken
Beef

I could go on......The problem is if someone only likes sugary shit, he will that is the only thing available.

If you want something sweet use Dextrose, Maltodextin or Stevia.

Amen brother!

Potatoes are GREAT post workout. BAKED potatoes.

I thought I liked that throwback pepsi better with actual sugar. you really can tell a difference.

this doesnt surprise me though, isnt HFCS a synthetic sweetener? I've long believed natural shit is 100% healthier than that absolute shit synthetic sweetener.

Umm NO.

you wish it was that simple . foods that are only "sugary shit". time to wake up.

if you have never left the country, chances are you have NEVER eaten beef that was not raised SOLELY on, you guessed it..... C O R N.

most chicken, easily accessible, fed C O R N

even though this story in the OP is about HFCS - the REAL story is a bit larger. corn is used for EVERYTHING. HFCS is the widest used, nastiest culprit.

take a look at this and tell me if these ingredients look at all familiar to you:

http://www.cornallergens.com/list/co...table-list.php

You don't shit it out whole. It's just the casings of the kernels you're shitting out. The stuff on the inside is absorbed and used by the body. ;)

Why do I know that? :scratch: :lmao:

:lol: Aquapython already covered this, so yea.

101, dude, I thought you were supposed to be some sort of nutrition expert...you mean to tell me you didn't already know this stuff?

So, you guys are going to avoid eating chicken, eggs, and beef, simply because those animals eat a lot of corn? Please.

If so, then go right ahead and eat seafood for breakfast, lunch, and dinner........And die of mercury poisoning instead :lol:

Jesus, and you guys give ME a hard time for whining about cancerous grilling hydrocarbons :lol:

No, I'm not, especially since I developed a shellfish allergy a month ago, :lol:

We're trying to locate sources of meat that are more natural. I do not wish to eat animals that have wallowed around in their own feces and fed shit food until they are nearly dead. I'm fortunate because I grew up on a cattle ranch that is family owned. I can have a cow slaughtered (as soon as I get a deep freezer) that has been entirely grass/hay fed and given no antibiotics or other chemicals at all.

As far as chicken goes I haven't found a solution. The whole chickens at the local mexican meat markets are higher quality than Pilgrim's Pride and of various sizes with normal sized breasts...but i still don't know where they came from.

That's cool. Are some brands of meat saying that they are grass-fed on the label?

If they're out there I can't find them. Not even at Central Market. Unless you count the $49.99 per lb Kobe beef they sell, lol. I can, however, buy bison that is raised locally (on Ross Perot's land I believe) and grass/hay fed. Its quite good, and much more lean than a similar cut of beef.

Have you guys ever ridden by an industrial chicken house complex or cattle fed lot? I did in NC and CO....goddamn worst smell I've ever encountered in both cases.

On the subject of corn or grass-fed beef...is there any regulation about them? If not, then who's to say a farmer doesn't feed corn to his cows or chickens most of the time, but give them grass or hay once or twice in their life. Hell, I can say a cow was grass fed if I fed it grass one time in it's life, then charge more for the meat. So are there regulations to it?

Any of you guys ever taken advantage of that Omaha Steaks junk mail? The one where they claim they are the source of top restaurants around the country? Assuming it's not a load of BS, I figure you could get a bunch of their shit delivered and then quit.

what kind of beef do you think restaurants use? corn fed beef.

101 said that those ingredients are free from HFCS and he was right.

The corn vs grass feed argument is another debate all together.

Most animals that are fed a corn based diet are also pumped full of steroids, antibiotics, hormones, etc.

By buying organic meat that does not contain pharmaceuticals you stand a better chance of avoiding those that were raised on a corn diet.

I've received Omaha Steaks before as gifts and they were pretty good, but they are damn expensive. I'm talking $25/lb+ for ribeye or $30/lb+ for filet mignon expensive. Those prices are also before shipping charges. I'm not willing to pay restaurant prices for mail order steak.

Find an organic butcher or farm around you.

Around here I've found two farms that offer grass fed meat and all sorts of organic goodness. They have a shop right at the farm. It's pricier but well worth it.

My name is Shmike.

I always post in short, single-sentence paragraphs.

they are separated by a single line.

Often times i will say person X is right and person Y is wrong.

In all seriousness,
organic does not mean animals not fed on corn. at all.

In all seriousness, I know.

Did you read the whole post or just the one sentence?

Sometimes I use two or more sentences in a paragraph. See?

Not often though.

:lol:

Fo'Real though.

I have been meaning to call you out on that for months.

It definitely adds a nice dramatic effect.

Sorta along the lines of "speak softly and carry a big stick"...

3 words. Free Range Chicken.

Really HFCS is a derivative of corn. How did corn itself become the topic? How is it so damn evil?

Anyways, the way beef and chicken are grown here in the US is terrible. Otsa chemical engineering going on there. My ex father in law grew for Pilgrims Pride and man, that isnt right. Nothing is anygood mass produced and genetically engineered...

Grass fed just tastes better, that's the biggest issue with that. Has nothing to do with corn syrup.

I am excited. Mom is getting a bunch of chickens and we are going in with her. They will be free range and chemical free. Add this to the beef we get from them and the veggies they grown and we are practically organic! Wish I had my own acreage to have a garden..

Every thought of joining a food co-op?

Kell.. wouldn't know where to find one here in Cow-town. I will just pilfer from mom and dad. Their garden is HUGE.

WTF are you saying? I listed foods that do not have HFCS and somehow you are saying corn is in everything or used for everything or something like that. I guess. No shit animals eat corn, but it doesn't mean there is HFCS or corn in ur beef. lol

Of course not.
Organic just means there's carbon in them. :lol:

The boy is not making sense...at least not about HFCS.

Are you trying to draw a conclusion that there is corn in ur beef?:lol God maybe I'm missing it.

You have to worry about the steriods and antibiotics that are given to the animals, not necessarily what they eat unless the food is loaded with pesticides.

And this whole thread was about how HFCS was getting people fat. It really isn't. Its the enriched flour products and starches combined with no or little exercise. Pastas, tortilla and bread. Garbage IMO.

Pound for pound, bread is better than HFCS. Especially if it's good bread like stone-ground or pumpernickel (not cheap shit like Wonder)

Try to stay with me, I expanded the topic of conversation to corn in general, and how it is super saturated every corner of the food industry, not just HFCS. Sometimes conversations deviate a little bit. I thought that was pretty clear, but maybe not.

But there is nothing wrong with corn.....it is the same as saying that water is in every corner of the food industry. Does this make water bad? But now add chemicals to make Anti-freeze and add it to your food, then it would be bad. But it doesn't at all make water bad. Get the drift?

We get it. The problem with corn, as it were, is that it's so tied up in government and it's being used instead of many other sources. It's like our dependance on oil. It's not great. :idk:

Actually the corn being put out today has a horrible fatty acid profile and is nothing compared to "back in the day" :lol: corn.

we haven't genetically altered water at all (I'm sure if the food industry would if they could)...

Cows aren't meant to eat corn like they are meant to eat grass.

They don't digest it as well and it can lead to health issues, even death. To compensate, those cattle are often pumped full of steriods, antibiotics, etc.

Technically, Corn is a grass.

This is why cows can survive on it, for some time.

It's also why it can grow in very tight proximity to other stalks, hence, more profit / sq foot.

When they are put on the corn feed, it produces so much acid that it will literally melt a whole in the side of a cow, where on could reach in and remove stomach contents.

I'm sure grass provides also provides some beneficial chlorophyll or whatever.

you sure about that, slugger?

well it's green, right?

There is still nothing wrong with corn, though. Just because the government has their dirty hands all over it, doesn't make it bad. If you eliminated corn, they would just find something else in substitution.

If we wish to debate that corn cannot be processed well by the body OR if there are alot of chemicals added to corn, then those are other topics of discussion. Corn in itself is not what is making America fat.

Funny man u are...but no smoke for U!:lol

This thread is my idea of comedy...

Corn makes you fat. What part of that escapes you?

Corn has the same GI as brown rice...79. This means that insulin reponse is pretty low. Enriched white flour products is much higher and much more carbohydrate dense.

Corn does not make you fat. High fructose corn syrup does. They are not the same.

Where's the joke?

Ah, OK, so that's what they must feed to livestock.

My bad.

Okay everyone I feel the need to step in here.

Eat, drink and smoke what you want in moderation. Try to get as much variety in your foods as possible and buy fresh when possible.

If you don't slip on the ole' banana peel you will probably live to at least 72 with with a grandchild and a spouse that is sick of your shit.

Um, yeah, HFCS is making people fat. Didn't you read the article? You say bread is bad (combined with no exercise), but what about whole wheat breads? And a lot of what is making people fat is the little to no exercise, combined with completely shitty eating habits (i.e. no breakfast, big lunch, big dinner and simply crap food like junk food and fast food).

Wow, 72 huh, amazing! :lol:

No thanks dude, I'm tryin' to make it to 100. 72 is still pretty young to die off.

My dad is in his late 70's, and has a GF in her 20s, and a 5 year old kid.

For real.

I'm not disagreeing that sugary foods, sugary sauces and stuff made from HFCS isn't good for fat loss. However, you are forgetting the caloric density of bread and pastas, which make up a large amount of America's diet, is much much higher than something that has HFCS in it.

I hear people all the time (fat people) cut out "sugary foods" and they loose 5 or 10 lbs and wonder wtf. I tell them to cut out breads and pasta or limit them and usually they will loose much less.

This is why the French, Italians, and other bread and pasta favoring cultures are so disgustingly fat.

Oh wait... :rolleyes:

And if those cows that are getting fat because of corn had a decent activity level and weren't being stuffed to the gills with it, I imagine the outcome would be different. Not unlike the average American, actually.

Are you advising them to cut out all carbs? If so, for what length of time? Cutting all carbs for a short while is fine if you want to lose weight fast, but losing weight fast isn't exactly ideal for the body. I think a healthy mix of carbs, fats, and protein is the key, in small meals throughout the day in order to keep the metabolism higher. Combine this with exercise and you have a healthy lifestyle. I'm not a fan of any diet that eliminates something completely.

this is probably one of the better ways to do things. its pretty much my method, and I seem to maintain the same weight all the time.

A little golddigging going on, perhaps?

I think she wanted a ticket into show bidness.

She didn't get it.

:lmao:

Most European pastas and breads do not contain Enriched flour, which is not easily digestable. And..they do not eat the amounts we do. Probably 1/3 that being much more active.

You cannot cut out all carbs...its really not possible, but moreso carbs are needed for thyroid production.

The problem is America biases it's caloric intake primarily towards carbs (50%) which has the effect of continous insulin spiking leading to fat gain and eventually type 2 diabetes.

My opinion on carbs is this...they should be used for energy expenditures only. Me personally use carbs as my first meal, during lifting and then after lifting. In the morning your insulin level is low, carbs may rise it, but not enough to gain fat. During and after lifting is simply to replenish lost gylcogen levels so your body doesn't burn muscle. Fat intake is almost shunted at that point.

:lol

Sorry, corn is more fattening than grass, the traditional diet of cows. If the typical human diet was primarily grass, corn on its own would be fattening for us too.

It's also more fattening than meat, and green vegetables, which I believe was the fucking point.

Corn makes you fucking fat. I didn't think it was hard to understand.

They feed it to livestock to fucking fatten them.

HFCS is fattening too, I believe I read it somewhere...

Wow, theres a lot of wrong opinions in this thread, and not much right.

Good work guys. Now im going to have to spend an hour of my time later to make you all understand how this shit works.

For some reason I didnt read this thread till now, too much fail to deal with all at once. :lol:

Corn might make cows fat, but that's not surprising since they sit around confined all day. Is it more fattening than grass, no shit, almost anything would be more fattening than grass. But that says nothing about humans, especially active ones who have no problem burning off carbs. Besides, like 101 said, the carbs in corn aren't that bad, its glycemic index isn't nearly as high as shit like Wonder bread.

It is the hormones and other shit that should concern you more.

Looking forward to hearing it.