motogp fun with numbers. the yamaha m1
 

did vale really fix it? or is his skill thus that hes simply gathering credit? removing his talent from the field paints some interesting pictures.

carb'ed five valve screamer
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FI five valve screamer
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...efang/2003.jpg
fi four valve crossplane
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fi four valve crossplane
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Burgess fixed it with Rossi's endorsement via very willing Yamaha engineers. They swallowed their pride and developed it exactly as the super duo asked, and reaped the rewards...

Right but look at some of the mortals. Checha went backwards, no one else even showed up until edwards got there, and he was probably just happy to be away from playing marshmellow on the rs3. I'm not even counting max who took a credible 2nd on his one year with the bike.

Even then, can we really credit vr for the crossplane layout if jb made the suggestion from things he learned crewing for doohan? Things that make you go hmm

I certainly would not credit Rossi for the cross plane. The feedback that inspired Burgess to seek a different solution from Yamaha definitely, and of course he did ride the thing they built.

Heh to hear some of his fans on crash he dug raw minerals from the earth and forged it into a championship winning bike with his bare hands. Just no reasoning with those people.

I can't wait to see him go to superbikes. You know, where actual racing occurs :lol: I'll bet he gets a ben spies style "welcome to sbk mate" bump off track on turn one :lol:

Rossi knows the score in WSBK. He'll go to F1 or Rally when his Duc contract is over...

Skurred? :lol:

After dueling 14-18 riders, some of which are on inferior equipment, and then going to a series with 28-34 entries on like equipment, fueled by the desire to prove their mettle side by side with his greatness...Wouldnt you be??

Mmm especially since his old foe is running the roost. Don't get me wrong, much as id love to see him scuffed up I really don't want him coming over. Sbk doesn't need the post race antics. Bad enough lorenzo picked it up

I'd say it was a combination of both. A bit of development and a crapload of skill resulted in those first couple of titles. Continued development over the years resulted in Yamaha taking several constructor's championships.

Ahh but if he wasn't in the picture that bike could have taken the title in its first year...

Maybe so... But would Max have been inspired to ride so hard if Vale wasn't bugging the shit out of him? :lol:

Four 250gp titles say yes

Well pretend Rossi and Burgess had not been there, dropped out whatever. Yamaha and Biaggi had seen the limit of their development and that same year Honda fielded a horde of RCVs due to Rossi being at Yamaha, which we are pretending didnt happen.

does max win that title??Not sure.

I say the bike was there due to Rossi signing and his feedback. I say they won the title that year due to Yamaha taking a new direction under Burgess and Rossi's input. The success of the cross plane had alot to do with Burgess' tuning on Rossi's feedback. No Rossi, no cross plane, no Burgess, no championship, IMHO.

There is one factor you all are forgetting Rossi Sponsor Money... money talks and bull shit walks.

Yeah, God forbid the racers have any personality...

Rossi and Burgess brought a lot of meat to the table, seasoned to Rossi's tastes.

What's good for the goose, is not necessarily good for the gander.

JC

edwards has personality. i dont see him doing the fucking thriller dance with 300 extras immediately postrace

You don't seeing him fucking winning either. :lol:

JC

I do remember him popping Bayliss with a towel after clinching the 02 WSBK Championship...

Yeah, but that's old news.

Edwards drives me crazy. He's fast in practice, and fast in qualifying, but he can't hang in races anymore.

The boy was born to fade.

JC

MotoGP has just developed past his skill set. He is a superbike, no traction control type rider. He hasn't been able to adapt like Hayden to the electronics. He is a dinosaur. Tribute really to his skill that he has hung on this long...Toseland couldnt hold a candle. Spies makes him look mildly retarded.

Its a shame ducati fucked him over. I think he'd have been much better in xerox colors

I still think james is gonna have a good bounce back year now that he's on a conventional bike in a lower pressure situation

Mostly likely correct Dave. JT isnt the tool everyone made him out to be in GP, former WSBK champ, just out of his element...

You've got to be kidding me? MotoGP has-beens like Biaggi and Haga kicked ass in WSBK and Vale won't cut the mustard?

Well, he'd be on far more equal equipment than he's been in a long time.

I never said he couldnt do it. Never. I said he wouldnt wanna do it.

First it would be like me going club racing in the novice yellow plate 600 class. Well below my times but you still have to enter turn one with 43 less skilled riders. Could be painful and expensive.

second he knows full well how famous he became racing to win, having every possible advantage pulling for him. Doesnt he think he might lose some of his legend, some of his shine?