Tire war room
 

we all know that Pilot powers pwn all for street duty, but here is a place to talk tread and throw your two cents in the ring...roast'em:slide:

i just got a flat at the dealer, and had to chose between dunlop qualifiers and metzler m3's, so i went ahead and put the m3's on, i got it for $135 whats ppl's opinion on the m3 i just know how the dunlops suck and anything would be better

corsa IIIs FTW

that tire would last one weekend on my bike, maybe less

and i went with the 180 series... see if i can tell a differance

heres what im using right now.


I'm pretty happy with the amount tread.

http://www.dhtire.com/images/tire.jpg

fitting for the tractor of a bike you have

my john deere 600 will whoop your ass in the quater till.

lies... and when did hell freeze over?

i'm just betting on you lowsiding after the bend around the silo's.

just kidding, i know youll kick my ass up and down the road, no matter if its straight or twisty

gross abuse of power right there....

hahah



oh boy





trip you are a RIOT.

what did trip have to do with it?

:lol:

Yup, you hit the nail on the head cause PP's are the way for me! And all my buddys have loved them!

i was stuck in a pinch with no chance of getting my beloved pp

What I do now?

the buell had pirelli diablos when i bought it.....never had any problems with those up until i had a nail wind up in the back tire...

i had those changed for conti road attacks and haven't had a problem with them yet

The 2ct's have treated me very well so far... Pirelli Diablos that came on bike were solid... My next tire will probably Road 2's... Thinkin' about doing Road 2 in the back and PP in the front...

Huh... no Bridgestone lovers? That is all I will ever ride on... BT014 for the street. BT002 for the track.

IIRC OTB is a Bridgestone guy...

I'm planning on trying out some Pilot Road 2's once I need a new front/rear set. Roads out here aren't twisty enough to need Powers or the like.

Since rears always wear out faster than fronts, I was going to get a softer one in the front... You should get the PP in the front and do the Road 2 out back... Then let me know how it works so you can be my guinea pig.

I thought OTB was a Avon man... or was that no worries?

No Worries.

I've been a Michelin man ever since I bought the Pilot Powers. And the Pilot Races are sweet too. Instead of doing what I usually do and stick to one brand, I think I might try something else this season. Depends what kind of deals I can get.

Azoom, you got a hook-up on Bridgestones?

Why? Road 2's are suppose to be as soft on the sides as regular powers are everywhere. So all you are doing is making the middle of the front wear faster that way.

I don't use all of my front tire, so I figure it'll be an even race between the front and rear... Especially now that I'm in FL. I did think about running a 2ct in front and a Road in the rear... That combo may make more sense...

Don't do it! All his guinea pigs end up his ass!!!:angel:

What do the road 2's look like?

You've been round and white? :nee:

Yes, a hookup I have, indeed. The Bridgestone tire Gods are good to me, I'm now paying well below of $300 a set.

Those look cool. The profile's the same as the Powers? That's gonna come into play if whoever wanted to do the Road2/Power combo.

Care to hook me up with your hook-up? When the time comes?

I think they are... it was OSP who wanted to do the combo...


I've been running these
http://fstg.motosport.com/motographi...StradaPair.jpg

they're a HUGE improvement over the stock dunslick 20hates... but that's not saying much


I'll give a better impression after September. they're sport touring so I hope to get some decent miles out of them

I just got the Diablos after being a longtime Bridgestone guy and I must say that i like them alot! I quit Pirelli when the first Diablos came out (I was +1 for the Dragons). I felt they were too "V"d in the front and my bike "fell" into corners. Anyway,I have about 500 miles on them so far and am happy with the grip and the feel provided. Hopefully,mileage won't be a problem.

which ones you running? I'm running the Strada's... their sport touring tire

Yeh sorry,I'm using the "normal" ones. I thought about the Stradas but was concerned about grip and the multi compound tires were more money and not in stock at my dealer. Besides,I got the tires installed for $345 which included a dyno run. Thought I'd checkout the situation since I'd moved from Mi to NC.

Yeah, I plan on making a couple calls to Michelin before running that combo...

Sure. I might need closer to a group buy - I have to order at least six sets at a time. Right now I'm building my garage at the track (actually just getting permits for it) and when it's done I'll have storage. But, now I don't. So, plan ahead and let me know.

:dthumb:

Here's a review on the Conti Road Attack. I'm having a really hard time choosing here... Road 2s, Road Attack, BT021, Diablo Strada...:bash:

i just put 200 twisty miles on my m3's 2up and they were great

I love my PP's. They haven't failed me yet..

I've heard they get "nervous" and "skittish" unless you have really good pavement "racetrack smooth." Anyway, mileage on them sucks...

I dont find that to be true.. And mileage on such a sticky tire is expected to suck. Show me a tire that performs just as well but gets better mileage.

Pilot Power. Period.

I'm really curious how hard people are riding, and what comparisons you've made to come to the decision of which you see is the *best*. I mean, it's kind of like what brand of glove you wear... or what kind of bike you ride. :shrug:

Personally, I love the way the Dunlops get up to temp... STICKY and really great feel. That is, until they start to go. Once they go, they are booger and snot... GONE.

The Pirellis don't ever seem to get to a temp that makes me trust them. Or, maybe they get to temp, but don't ever seem sticky. Well, in comparison anyway.

Michelins have always been more expensive and difficult to get. And, the reviews at the track here have been sketchy... so I haven't personally tried them.

With the options in front of me, Avon and Conti are out.

So, do you have more of a reason for buying the tires that you do... other than "because"? :)

Great question. I originally bought the Pilot Powers because they were all the rage. I love them. My bike turned in quicker. They come up to temp quickly. They inspire confidence. I've never felt them slide on me. Even when cold.

Then again I'm not Valentino Rossi....so I the tires are capable of more than I will ever give them.

True enough, on your last statement... none of us are REALLY testing tires. And, I'm not really one to argue with someone's beliefs. I mean, trusting your tires is HUGE... and I won't mess with that. I guess I'm just curious if people have actually tried other tires, or did they get one they liked and just stuck with it.

I came from Dunlop 208's before the Michelins. I really hated them. They slid all the time. I had very little confidence with them. Didn't trust them at all. The PP's where a night and day difference.


I'm just saying that there are probly alot of people on this board that are faster than I am....but for what I do the PP's work. Even on the track. As I get faster on the track I'll move up to PP 2CT's or Pilot Race. But thats a while off.

I came from Dunlop Qualifiers. Spending every weekend riding "the dragon" you learn a lot about your tires and how they handle different situations. Me riding my SV650, I would have never thought I could slide my tires...wrong. After 2 or 3 spirited runs thru the 11 mile stretch I would start pushing the limits, the harder I pushed the more my rear would slide. I got to the point where I could dial a slide on any corner that I chose. Then came the day when they gave all they could give. I went down 2 times in one day. When the dunlops were finished they were finished, no signs nothing, just gone.

I've since switched to PP. These definately are not "dial a slide" tires. No matter how hard I try I can only slide them when they are not up to temp. Even then I get 4 small hops before they break loose. At this point in my riding abilities I am not able to push the PP's to their limits.

just my .02

I had the q's stock on my RR. They pretty much slid no matter if you wanted them to or not. I hated those tires.

i had dunlops on the zx6r and i slid on me in a couple turns and i lost all confidence in them, i bought a set of pp and never had a problem on them either from the zx6r or the torquey rc51 they held up well enough, i run 32 psi and get ~4k miles, i had to chose between dunlops and metzlers, i put on some miles at a brisk pace 2 up and never felt a hiccup or wiggle, but ill wait till i put some harder solo miles on it before the jury comes in on them and see how long they last to see if they are a viable option

Why run so low? I run the Pilots at 37 front and rear with no slide issues.

when i took the stt trackday they stated that was the perferred tire pressure for these tires, i tried it and it worked and i have experimented with other pressures and found 32 to be the magic number for me

32 in the PP's is perfect for my style of riding.

I run 32 on the track... but I wouldn't run that on the street...

i do bump it up for my touring adventures though

I ran my PP's at 28 for the track. They stuck like glue. 37 on the street and you're the golden goose.

32 works for me, but I ride real aggressive for the street. I know a track day will change that though.

Ever run them higher?

I ran them at 36 when I first got the bike. It seems to stiff for me(My forks are non adjustable) so less tire pressure gives me a better ride.

I see. I ran them lower when I first got them. Then someone told me to increase the pressure. I get the same handling with slower wear.

How many miles? I'm at 4500 and due for a new rear tire in less than 1000 miles, maybe even 500.

I'm at about the same miles. But I dont need a new one yet. I can get this season out of it....but with a couple track days it'll probly be spent.


But no track days...this thing lasts until next season easy.

Here's how they looked after the track last year.

I run mine at 34f/36r.

I don't have any basis to compare, but I know that my dunlops that came with the bike are not very good compared to what I'm going to replace them with.

I've got 3 track days and 3500-4000 miles on these dunlops... they are toast.

I have a pair of diablo corsa III's ready to go, just gotta throw 'em on. I think I might stretch the dunlops out till a little closer to when I go to the track, don't wanna kill the profile at all.
That's pretty high for the track, especially for PP's, no? I think someone told me a michelin rep told them to run like 26/29 or something like that.

I think I went down to 32/34 at the track. I like the higher pressure better. There's more weight pushing on that tire than a 170lbs rider. The extra pressure is better for me. I run my Pilot Races lower though.

What do you weigh?

i know i hit the scales at a not so slim 212#

Not that anyone cares for my 2 cents but,I also always ran higher pressure at the track. I felt that the bike turned in slower at lower pressure plus my fat ass needed all the corner speed I could get. Heck,on the street I run 42 rear/36 front and check it every time I ride to make sure it's right. I'm one of thse retards that can tell if my tires are off a couple lbs.

nothing wrong with being in tune with your bike, the samething doesnt work for everyone esp when it comes to bike setup and tire pressures

That because of the big curb squirrels I've seen you have on the back. :lol:

Just fucking with you Lon :twfix:

Oh yea? Well I don't have a snappy comeback to that right now except... I guess I'll go ride my bike since it's 60 degrees outside! So ...:gofurslf:

Wow, really? Am I to assume you don't use tire warmers?

I haven't gone back through this thread to see if you've already stated what tire you prefer... which make/model?

I can tell a few pound difference as well...however, I didn't notice a slower turn in with the lower pressure. And I was 9 pounds lower front and rear.

Yea it's probably just me. It feels funny to me so I'm more tentative in the corners.:idk:

Oh AZ I'm a bit of a slut when it comes to tires. I've tried them all just about! I'll probaby stick with the Pirellis for now. They're cheap and handle plenty good enough for my current level of riding(read:old and slow).

Eh, being fast isn't all it's crapped up to be - I'd rather be slow and smoothe anyday.

You're at the top of the bracket for tire pressure that's even recommended by Pirelli (the chart is from their full line technical spec PDF). With the temps on the roads in your area, I can't help but think the pressure is MUCH greater as you ride through the day... if it works for you, then it works for you... but, it could present a safety issue.

interesting but the pressure I run is what was recommended by Suzuki in the manual so :idk:

Yeah but that is OEM tire. Are you still running OEM?

A very good point...:idk: NOW I'm used to it and happy so FUCK OFF!!! Just kidding! I'll look into but I definetly don't see a safety issue here over two lbs...I hope!

Plus I think that number is in case you want ride 2 up.

Bridgestone are OEM ;)

True but I was using the 001s and not the BT14s. Plus,Bridgestone makes a model specific tire for the GSXR, if you want to split hairs,so what if you don't want to spend the extra money for the OEM? I'm also thinking about going to the 200 series tire next time and see what happens. Hey that's what they run in WSB! (yea I know,I'm a "fanboy")

Whatever works for you, guy.

No, the point is... it's a different tire.

Bridgestone has their recommendations. Pirelli has theirs. Since you are running the latter, I would say go with their recommendations on tire pressure over what Suzuki would say about a different brand tire.

Yeah, the 42 in the rear sounds really high, and probably for 2up.

For example, my manual says 36/36 and 36/42 for 2up.

I run 30/30 at the track and 30-32 if I know I'll be hitting twisties. Normal street riding I use 36/36. I'll have to see what changes when I put on the corsa III's... can't wait.

ok I'll look into but if you check Bridgestones site,I bet they don't recommend 42 lbs at the rear either. Unless you can pull a chart for my exact bike,my weight and height,and my riding style/conditions. I'm not sure what good it'll do BUT I honestly appreciate you input. It's just that this is the third GSXR1000 I've owned(since the '01) and I've always run my tires this way. It's what I'm used to. I set my suspension up for it,had to change alittle for the Pirellis,I don't know if I can change now.

I bet I can find a chart... but NOW I don't have the time LOL

Here is what I DO know... recommendations are just that. Something that worked for a plethora of people, but might not work for every individual. They are powerful suggestions. That being said, I wouldn't venture too far out of that range as then it becomes a safety issue (exploding tires are BAAAD).

I was talking with my suspension guy. He tweaked my suspension for my weight and size... I HATED it. I have been used to riding bikes sprung for 200+ pound men, I'm obviously NOT that. But, I have adapted my riding style to fit the machine. Now, I'm re-learning how to ride with a bike fitted to ME. I'm giving it a shot, and if it is too much of teh suck I'll put it back the way it was. :shrug: So, I know exactly what you mean.

Interesting topic, tire pressure.

I'm slowing gaining experience- mostly from the Roads I just took off. I tried them at max pressure from the sidewall (42psi) and they didn't stick at all- but they didn't wear either. Tried them at 5psi above stock (37/41) and they felt like shit, tried them at stock and they still didn't feel right (32/36). Finally settled on 3psi below stock (29/33) and they felt ok, but wore fast.

Just put on a set of Pirellis (diablo front, rosso rear) and they feel great at 32/36. Which is what the shop put them at, and is stock pressure for the bike.

Run about 36-35 commuting

31-30 twisties

track can get off the wall I usually run around 26-21

+_1

I have a PP2ct front an a PP rear I got at Deals Gap when my PP Race take off started showing bands. The PP probably has 3500 on it now and is just below the indicators but I'm going to squeeze another 1000 out of the tires. But I love how they hook up. Not that I'm pushing them to the limits but one thing I do like is knowing my tires won't be to blame if I screw up.

My next tire since I'll mainly be doing commuting (From home, to school, to work, and then home) will be Pilot Roads2 which are suppose to have Pilot Road centers with regular PP sidewalls. But once my PP2ct Front wears out I'll look into other tires.

On my old SecaII I got some Bridgestone Battlax tires (BT21 I believe) that were pretty nice and lasted a long time (Even after I sold it an they rarely saw sidewall action).

Oh shit... just tried the new Bridgestones, BT003R's. FUCKING AMAZING. I went with a medium front and hard rear, perfect combination.

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I just ordered a set of Diablo Rossos yesterday. Hopefully I can have them on in a week or so, then tell my initial thoughts.

I do something similar for commuting and twisties.

For the track I monitor my hot temps though, not cold... hot temps are more important.

For example pirelli vendor told me you want around 32-33 hot... I ended up needing to put them around 27 cold... this is obviously very dependent on ambient and track temps.

I put on another 50 miles or so today. They seem to heat up fast, and grip really well. I'm wishing for more feedback from the front Diablo, but I'll bump the pressure 1-2 psi and see how it goes. Don't want them heating up too much either. Sooo much nicer than the Pilot Roads. Much more fun riding when I don't have to worry about the front disappearing on an easy corner.

Pirelli FTW If I didn't already have two sets of Diablos, I'd be getting the Rossos myself (I still might!).

Yea things are really changing,which is actually normal for motorcycle tires! What was the shit yesterday,is shit today! I've heard nothing but good things about the new gen Bridgestones.

I'm thinking about a sporty set of Bridgestones next- 014s or 016s maybe, but def. not 021s. I've heard they have more front end feel because of a slightly stiffer carcass.

that's why my track pressure is such a huge range compared to the other two

I ran 38 front and rear on my PP's. I think I ran 30 or 32 at the track with them.

I run the Corsa III's at 38 as well.