Derf and Dave
 

Hope you guys are ok...

The Three of us Rode today...we were on our way home crossing over into Jersey and a Port Authority Cop Pulled them Over at the Base of the Jersey Side Bridge...

I havent heard anything...

They werent even doing anything reckless...I think the cop just thought they were Because Daves bike is OBNOXIOUS even at a low Speed...I was stuck behind a Car merging onto the Bridge and Saw the Cop as I merged and Dave and Derf were already ahead of me...hence why i didnt get pulled over as well.

Hope they dont have to much Bullshit to deal with....

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Well...I take that Back...

Just got a Text, NOT Looking good.

Hopefully just a verbal or warning only....

tickets or something worse?

Well from what i can gather....They both got there bikes towed.

Whoa now THAT SUCKS!!!

WTF, jeez what the hell for?

I hope they both have mc endorsements on their licenses...

Awwww Fuck! :panic: :panic:

looks like the cop is saying 78 in a 45...Wreckless and They both had Expired Insurance and Registrations...

Ill let them tell the actual story...but thats what my text said..

Oops! I'm sorry but riding on an expired registration is just silly imho! I hope that's not the case...

Holy shit.... Hope everything turns out okay for them.

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Oh no!!! What's all the grinning about? What's it gonna cost to get your bikes back? Oh and are you both wearing *gasp* jeans?!?! No wonder he towed your bikes!

The grinning is about not being in the back of the squad car.

Bikes are gonna be freed tomorrow. $90


I got 3 tix, speeding, reckless, and no insurance (I had an expired card, I actually have insurance). Dave is pretty much the same. I dropped him off at his house and we are gonna go pick them up tomorrow with my truck.

Whew! Good stuff! Are they going to let you take them without insurance and registrations? Or wasn't that the actual problem?

Nice ninja edit Daniel-san!

Did they tow ur bikes because of the 78 or the expired regs? And a D and D pipe = automatic squid. lol

If I can't get a new card made up I am pretty sure that we can dump them in my truck and rive them back. Same goes for Dave.

Lack of proof of insurance

The cop said that when we go to court he will drop the reckless, and I have a plan to get my tow money back, but I can't openly talk about it now

if its just not having your proof of reg and ins on you thats a lot better, that stuff usualy gets tossed out, in NY it does anyway. now i am not sure if i want to head down there for a ride with all you riff raff :lol:

Tom

Yeh teh insurance will get thrown out along with the reckless , we both have insurance, just no card. I had the temp card they gave me when I got the bike which I thought I replaced when I got the perm one in the mail. I've been riding around since september with an expired card, but my inurance is paid through Aug

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Man the mods over here are squids, I'm right at home HA. What did you do that was wreckless?

last one

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We rode across a bridge that the cop saw some dude die on last year so he was pissed at us. After he finished writing the tix he explained that last year he chased a guy who ran off the side of the bridge andf he was angry at us and decided that since we pulled over right away he would drop that ticket. The cop came out right in the beggining yelling at us, then after he was in the car for a while after he wrote the tix he calmed down and told us when we go to court it will be dropped.

All in all we just got hosed

So who got you guys anyway, NJSP or locals? I have heard mixed things about jersey troopers but havent had the pleasure of meeting one yet.

Tom

Well if your plan doesn't work, see if you have towing coverage through the AMA, AAA, your insurance, your cell phone, etc. and tell them your bike broke down and send them a copy of the bill.:idk:

Yeh I got AAA, but I think that the words IMPOUND LOT pretty much negates any luck with that

you rode across the bridge on one or two wheels? He has no choice but to throw it out. You rode across a bridge, albeit significantly over the speed limit, but that does not constitute a wreckless driving ticket.

The worst part was is that I told the tow truck guy where we would be waiting and that he should drop off the bikes there. After liek 10 minutes of waiting he drove right past us so I started to chase him, but he was just heading back over the bridge.

I have been in similar situations where the cops get all pissed at you, usualy if oure cool with them and see you werent doing stupid stuff they may calm down and it wont be as bad.

But thats not always the case unfortunatley.

Tom

Two wheels, and we were not going any faster than the rest of traffic

Yeh, last post then off to bed.

Anyone see that reality show called parking wars about where folks get towed and have to get their cars from the impound lot and there is always something missing so the people get pissed, and they show how many hours it takes for people to get cars out? Yeh thats where we need to go tommorrow!

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ok well in that case the only advice i can offer is....you shoulda ran. :)

Oh yea it does if they were doing 1 1/2 times the speed limit! Heck, I had a cop write me a careless for crossing a double yellow. I believe it's mostly up to the cops discretion what HE considers to be reckless. Of course the judge can throw it out in court but the cop has the "right" to write the ticket.

Yea I kinda thought that myself....

once the reckless is thrown out and the insurance is proven I am going to try and plead the speeding tix to a lesser charge, I'll prolly have to pay more, but hopefully it wont count against me as a moving violation

Ummm there were multiple cop cars and a helo flying around, no way we could have ran, even if we wanted to. Over the course of the stop we saw 5 different cop cars.

And scott since you prolly saw it, where did that cop car come from? its a mighty long bridge

thats a good and bad thing writing a wreckless/careless driving ticket since it is at the cops discression. If he wants to be a dick he can realy hammer you for it, but they can also be tossed kinda easily compared to a speeder where he got you on radar.

Tom

First of all, cops are fucking dickheads.

Second, you guys should know better than to ride without proper paperwork.

My question is who took the pic? Mr. Towtruck driver? On the next episode of Wrecked it's Derf and Dave.

Daves GF, Good news is that rider faxed me my proof of insurance to my work (also means I need to go into work) so I can go once and get the bike out soon.

it was delaware port authority cops ie: bridge only. ive never seen them do shit there before so i guess they are hurting for money as well. my bad for riding on old cards, im bout to print out some new ones and go get the reg fixed. hey derf, i looked at the impound paperwork and they arent in a PPA lot, its a private tow company on 61st. ought to be a snap getting them out

DAYUM guys!! Glad you werent arrested! Good luck, keep us posted...

Got my new papers and as soon as i get the call dave and I are gonna go free willys

Nobody was getting arrested, we just both had expired insurance cards. Not like we didnt actually have insurance

I dunno, yankees are weird, you never know what might happen...:wink:

all my papers are clear now. even got new stickers for the blade. waiting for derf to come over so we can ride up and watching some of donington park

WOW... I always make sure my papers are stat. Crazy!!

well we paid their bail but not before the rape. derf had a new dent, some cracked up fairings and a few missing bolts and i had a bent toe peg on my kickstand and combustion chambers FULL of oil. interesting enough both my trip clocks had been reset. i think derf is planning to sue, he has before/after pics...i however have no such proof my bike was in excellent shape before incarceration. shes recovering in the garage now chilling on the tender. now we just gotta get ready for the court date...

I no longer live there but so I don't know if it is still this way, but it used to be automatic in Virginia for any 20+mph over ticket.

Yeh, I'm gonna ask for the money for the broken parts. Both mid pannels and the gas tank are fucked. I didnt take any pictures from the left side, but I did take some picture from the right side, which is where the gas tank is knocked in.

I got a quick estimate for the cost of the gas tank and the 2 side panels from honda, $1500. Thats how much I'm going to ask for when I talk to the tow company. Ive called a few times, but their boss doesn't seem to be there ever. I don't really want to sue, and I hope we can work out a deal before it gets to that. If it has to go to court I'm going to ask for every little gasket, fastener and widget be paid for, brining the cost close to $2k

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That's fucked. I hope you get the cash out of those bastards to fix it.

Dang man, that sucks, this story gets worse and worse! So much for handle with care.

This is turning into a horror story...:tremble:

No crap right?

The only saving grace is that I took pictures of it on the flatbed without the damage to the gas tank and the right side. If it has to go to court then those pictures are proof that there was damage done to the right side (and in my mind) its a reasonable jump to assume that damage to one side opens the possibility of damage to the other side.

The worst part is that when I got my permanent insurance card in the mail a while back I switched it with the temp card, I must have mixed them up somehow and that is how I had the expired one. Dave got his new one in the mail today too.

Derf I don't blame you for going after them to repair the bike, BUT I wonder how much you will spend in court, legal fees, time off work etc??? In other words, you might want to go for $1500 plus all that as well or keep in mind you might invest further funds and not see the return you are looking for.

Oh yeh dude, I'm jewish I was born with a calculator. I already started to keep a log of how much its costing me for this thing in time, gas, tolls, etc...

Cool! Carry on....

Contacted a lawyer.... (aka my brother in law, but he practices out of philly)

Man I bet they dropped them unloading at the yard!!!:panic: Man, I'm gonna say two things to you, get rid of the D&D exhaust and get a radar detector! I'm so jinxing myself but since I've done these two things, I haven't had any problems with Johnny Law. That exhaust is a cop magnet! It announces your presence well before you arrive and has them looking for you. Your call but all D&D exhausts do is sell cheap and call undo attention to you, bro. Typically, they make the least hp of any exhaust on the market. If you do get any money, try and fit that into your budget. Btw take pics and an estimate of Dave's bike as well. The fact that you can prove your bike was damaged also makes a case for his! Shit the dumb asses probably had yours released and on the kick stand and released the left strap of Dave's bike and boom into yours and over they both went! If you go in with proof, the owner will have to acknowledge that his guys did it. Shit he was probably there when it happened and that's why he's ducking you. Call again, if he won't answer, ask for the name of their liability insurance company. Call them and see what they say about this. I had to do that with a car that I had towed once.:lol:

Bummer. I got pulled over in my cage in New Jersey by a State Trooper. This was in 1977 and I was in a 1965 Chrysler 300. It had a 413 engine and push-button auto transmission that I had installed a B&M Trans-Pak. It could leave rubber for three blocks, and every time it shifted, it felt like someone kicked you in the behind. But I wasn't doing anything wrong at the time.

After checking my license and reg, he said he pulled me over because he never saw a Colorado license plate before and assumed I stole the car and/or plates.

I've called a number of times, and he hasn't shown up to work yet, the place closes office hours at 5 so I'm gonna call now, thanks for the tip on the liability I'll ask for that info too.

Edit 1: I'ming with the lawyer

Edit 2: Lawyer is telling me to do stuff ive already done, called the shop again, owner isn't there, and the regular emloyees don't have liability insurance information

edit 3: getting some good legal advice

Have the lawyer call the shop...

He asked me to try and work it out first with the shop if we need to go to small claims court he will represent me, and provide legal advice along the way. All pro bono unless we win in which case he will include his fees in the requested judgement and get paid like that. I wish I could use him for the traffic tickets but he isnt liscensed in NJ just PA


DAVE, I am PMing you some legal info for July 15, sorry about the small talk and other stuff, but read through it

Fuck Man thats Shitty...

The cop was sitting at the end of the bridge behind two concrete barriers...But I dont think there was ANYWAY he could have clocked you guys going 78...He didnt pull out until I was already halfway up the bridge and By then you guys were damn near at the top.

I think the Speeding is Bogus...

He was chilling on the left right when you guys merged on...I saw him and went into chill mode immediatly...then saw him pull out and knew you guys were fucked...But I think he thought you were doign more shit than you really were b/c I heard daves bike...

There was a helocopter involved too, it was flying over us the whole time we were stopped

Bottom line is that this is unfortuanately very common

Yep, loud exhaust draws the wrong kind of attention. It always sound like the biker is going faster than they likely are.

unless it starts shitting oil regularly i dont have any case. i'll keep an eye on it but i think its fine. i want out of the whole bike so pipe im not too concerned with. we'll see what happens next month

My bike isnt loud at all, not compared to yours anyway

troof

Gimme your 954, you can have my 78 CB750, I'll be good with that.

zat one of the ones with the quad pipes? plus cash i think id be fine with that lawls

OK-As long as your claim is below 5K-go to small claims. It's your words (and pics) against his. No Lawyers allowed. Guaranteed to collect your cash as it will be a judgement. If the asshole tries to not pay-he'll lose his ability to tow for any LEOs.

Trust me on this.

Like I said I am not asking for alot, enough to pay for the parts as new from a dealership, and thats not all the parts either, there are a bunch of (relatively) expensive fasteners that are missing too, possibly broken off when it was dropped. If the guy wants to go to court my bro-in-law practices in philly and already volunteered his services, in which case I'm gonna pull out my super jew calculation skills on him and account for every penny it will cost me. i forgot to get a reciept for the toll today going to get the bike, but I had to drive aprox 12 miles out of my way to get the estimate for the parts, thats 1/2 gal of gas at $2.37. Tomorrow after work I am taking the bike to a body shop to get a full estimate.

This also wasnt a mom and pop tow company, it looked fairly large

This has been keeping me awake. I decided to go back to philly tommorrow after work with the bike to file a police report for the damages. I called the philadelphia police and they said that there is no time limit to file the report, and that I should bring the bike with me. I am also brinign some pictures from the rally of the bike with no damage.

Do you have full coverage? Worst case, your insurance pays for the damage and subrogates his insurance. As this is a comprehensive claim, it shouldn't affect your rates going forward. Just a thought.

Man that is really shitty.

A friend did a similar thing in NY. Two bikes were impounded and he went ot small claims court for one, the other the damage was over 5k so he had to go to a different court. The small claims court one was with suing the towing company. The bigger one I am not sure who they sued though.

Tom

Fuck...Thats Shitty as hell

Do you know what teh outcome of those cases were?

I'm sure It will wind up in small claims court, there is no doubt in my mind. I have called now 6 times to talk to the supervisor and he hasnt been in, which i found out is a normal tactic they stall you as long as they can to try to get them off your back, and so that you pass the police report deadline (5 calender days in philly). I am heading to the DRPA station now to file a grieveance with them, needs to be done also within 5 days, then to the philly police station, then I'm going over to the shop, and I'm gonna sit outside and wait for the supervisor.

I also asked the lawyer to draft up a letter for me to send to the guy

time to start blocking corzine's new budget as best we can. Maybe dickhead'll get fired :lol:

Minor update.

I went to pic up the damage report before towing from the DRPA, then I went to the local police department near the tow yard to fill out a damage report, oh yeh, and I said hi to a buddy who works in that precinct. I should get the police report in a few days from my buddy otherwise it would take a few weeks.

Then I stopped back by the tow truck company to see if I could talk to the supervisor there again, and I was told (by another truck driver not the supervisor) that I caused the damage and that the pictures I had were not good enough. I should call again later. So I told them I was going to sit in my car and wait for the supervisor to show up. After 1/2 hour a cop knocks on my car window and says that I need to leave because he got a report that I was hastling their customers. When he knocked on my door I was reading a book. So i explained the situation and he said that i should call the insurance company. Overall an interesting afternoon.

Good job harrassing the customers while sit quietly reading your book. FUCK THEM!

jeez dude. Called bbb yet?

Yeh called the BBB on the drive home. I also filed a complaint against them with the DRPA

Damn. The whole incident is just fucked up.

The lesson in all this: Don't be a squid.

Nothing squidly about it, just dumb bad luck.

Anyway I guess I was harrassing customers now that I look back. I did talk to everyone that walked up and told them to check their car for damage before they pay.

he won th elesser case, towing co never even showed first time, second time thye sent some guy who knew nothing about the case. So we shredded him. Not sure of the second one though since he kinda screwed me over on a few things surrounding our legal issues stemming from that and it would have required me giving a severe beatdown.

Tom

Now I'm starting to wonder if I should go through small claims court or if I should go through the insurance co?

I would think small claims court may be easier, but it depends on the ins. When th ebitch hit my bike I got paid in a rather timeley manner, but when the ambulance hit it that was a nightmare, but thats dealing with city agencies. :td:

Tom

You should have explained to the officer that they refuse to give you the insurance information and asked him if he would get it for you. He may have done it, who knows?

I tried, but he was asking me to leave at that point

So I talked to the lawyer again to float an idea I had. I called my insurance company and I reported it, they are going to send me to an adjuster to get an estimate. Depending on what he values the damage at vs what I priced out I will either go through the insurance company or withdraw the insurance claim and go through the courts.

If I go through the courts I am going to sue for parts from the dealership, plus any costs associated with the whole deal, including the fee to get it out of impound (lawyer said that one is hot or miss depends on the judge), tolls, gas, time, court fees, and the condom I will use when I rape him over the coals. There are still some things up in the air, and there is also the possibilty that the bike will be totaled by the adjuster which could suck.