Cane Corso

[Dova80]

Originally Posted by Gas Man

The problem is that the powerfull breeds will try to fight for the alpha dog position. And I know that with mine, no physicall means will get is attention when he's being "ballsy" better than a little zap

I suppose Rotts, Pitt Bulls, Boxers, Dobermans, German Shepard, S.A. Boerboels, AM Staffs and a little with the Cane Corso breed are not powerful breeds?

Here is a picture of one of the dogs having a bit of fun. This was taken the first time Bane was taken into training... Now this is not Bane but one of the many dogs we worked with that day. There were NO shock collars. These dogs work because they enjoy it, not because they are forced to.


I currently have a 145lbs rottie, and a 15lbs dachshund both intact males and I can guarantee that there is not pushing between the two. They know I am the alpha and I will not tolerate any aggression between the two of them.


Power has nothing to do with the breed fighting for the Alpha position. This is just the way dogs work, if a dog sense's that he might be able to force out the alpha and replace him the dog will. Same as when the Alpha becomes sick the entire pack will turn on him and kill him only to better the pack.

The dog should not get "ballsy" that is the part of the owner to keep the animal in check. The animal should know who is the alpha but a shock collar does not prove to the animal who is in charge. But is sure is a good way to ruin a dog if not used properly...

[Gas Man]

Well say what you want. You CAN NOT train a powerfull breed dog the same way you do a lab or retriever. Lab's and retrievers DO NOT act the same or as challenging to anybody or any other dog.

I used the shock collar at the house to control him better when he gets out of line. Sure he would be better behaved if I ran him out more, but working 60+ hrs a week doesn't offer much free time for such. You will rarely ever have problems with tired dogs. Further walking with the dog aids in the alpha roles. But as i said, I don't always have that time for doing this everyday. He gets walked and other forums of interataction.

But I ran the collar for about a month, maybe 6 weeks. And now he rarely ever needs it. It was a tool that I used, nothing more different than a kennel. People use kennels for all sorts of reasons whether it be potty training or punishment. The dogs don't always like it but people do it anyway. That is not to say that we all will agree with each other on training.

I personally don't agree with sleeve training. I believe it breeds aggressive behavior in the dogs, especially the powerfull breeds. Police K9 dogs do this but they receive round the clock training far beyond what most normal owners would give. They have to be vicous on command to a criminal but soft/gental enough to let 1st graders maul them at school. But again, these dogs aren't the norm nor their training.

My dogs father and siblings were sleeve trained. I did some time with his father at the breeders house. It was an amazing thing, however, that dog hated me all the time, wanted to eat me all the time. I believe its the contridiction from soft vs sleeve agressive that causes some dogs to "snap" if in the wrong position.

Perhaps I'm completely wrong, perhaps not. Perhaps the 3 trainers I have consulted with are complete morons, perhaps not. Some are fine with shock collars and others are against it. Some believe Ceasar Milan is too hard on dogs, some don't. All I know is that fora 5.5 month old puppy my dog listens to me and is very well behaved. At the end of the day something I have done or not done has worked.

If my dog gets out of line or does something wrong I tell him so, one way or the other. Shcok collar, he still understands, I can tell by his reactions to the shock and to me.

Which by the way, powerfull breeds doesn't only mean their size, it also has to do with their mentality.

And at the end of today... I didn't create this thread to debate training, just share the good times Brinks and the family & friends are having.

Also, that is one great looking Rot I have always loved Rots. They are such a big muscle bound dog that are usually giant teddy bears.

[Dova80]

Originally Posted by Gas Man

Well say what you want. You CAN NOT train a powerfull breed dog the same way you do a lab or retriever. Lab's and retrievers DO NOT act the same or as challenging to anybody or any other dog.

Actually yes you do. You can train a lab with just about the same techniques as you would any other dog.

Originally Posted by Gas Man

I used the shock collar at the house to control him better when he gets out of line. Sure he would be better behaved if I ran him out more, but working 60+ hrs a week doesn't offer much free time for such. You will rarely ever have problems with tired dogs. Further walking with the dog aids in the alpha roles. But as i said, I don't always have that time for doing this everyday. He gets walked and other forums of interataction.

So you wanted a dog to just hang around with little to no stimulus? You don't have to run him, just going out to practice obedience will work. 10-15 min sessions.

Originally Posted by Gas Man

But I ran the collar for about a month, maybe 6 weeks. And now he rarely ever needs it. It was a tool that I used, nothing more different than a kennel. People use kennels for all sorts of reasons whether it be potty training or punishment. The dogs don't always like it but people do it anyway. That is not to say that we all will agree with each other on training.

No a kennel is a dogs home, thats where he goes to step away it should not be used as punishment, totally different than a shock collar.

Originally Posted by Gas Man

I personally don't agree with sleeve training. I believe it breeds aggressive behavior in the dogs, especially the powerfull breeds. Police K9 dogs do this but they receive round the clock training far beyond what most normal owners would give. They have to be vicous on command to a criminal but soft/gental enough to let 1st graders maul them at school. But again, these dogs aren't the norm nor their training.

If you are referring to the picture of sleeve training it is completely different than what the police receive as training for their animals. The picture above is bite work for the sport of Schutzhund, along with tracking, and obedience. If done properly the dog does not associate the sleeve with the person, and after the work is done the handler, trainer and dog can all be friends. The dog does not do it out of aggression, he does it because it is a game. I have worked for a shot time with a gentleman that has a S.A. Boerboel that does schutzhund and I believe is now titled S.c.h. I and working on II that is also a therapy dog that goes into hospitals to help uplift the cancer patients. There is ZERO aggression because it is not aggression that you see. When you watch a dog train do you see his tail wagging, or do you see the hair on his back standing up?

Originally Posted by Gas Man

My dogs father and siblings were sleeve trained. I did some time with his father at the breeders house. It was an amazing thing, however, that dog hated me all the time, wanted to eat me all the time. I believe its the contridiction from soft vs sleeve agressive that causes some dogs to "snap" if in the wrong position.

Sleeve trained? As in Schutzhund, or Protection?
By doing time were you on the sleeve? The dog has no hatred for the trainer, you are just wearing something he wants and he has been trained to get it.

I am not sure I understand what you mean "soft vs sleeve aggressive"? Also it depends on what you mean by "snap"? Are you talking about going after the trainer or handler outside of the training?

Originally Posted by Gas Man

Perhaps I'm completely wrong, perhaps not. Perhaps the 3 trainers I have consulted with are complete morons, perhaps not. Some are fine with shock collars and others are against it. Some believe Ceasar Milan is too hard on dogs, some don't. All I know is that fora 5.5 month old puppy my dog listens to me and is very well behaved. At the end of the day something I have done or not done has worked.

There are quite a few trainers who claim to be such, but very few are actually worthwhile enough to train a dog. The dog might listen to you out of fear, not because he/she wants to do your bidding. It makes further training much more difficult having to force the animal to do something rather than make it want to do something.

Originally Posted by Gas Man

If my dog gets out of line or does something wrong I tell him so, one way or the other. Shcok collar, he still understands, I can tell by his reactions to the shock and to me.

So the dog now associates what you say to a shock on the neck... I do not really see this as a good thing.

Originally Posted by Gas Man

Which by the way, powerfull breeds doesn't only mean their size, it also has to do with their mentality.

So if you combine size and a semi intelligent dog you have a powerful breed?

I am guessing you do not think the dogs I listed are powerful? I do conceed the doberman is not quite on par as far as brains go... Generally they have two cells that fight each other.

Originally Posted by Gas Man

And at the end of today... I didn't create this thread to debate training, just share the good times Brinks and the family & friends are having.

Fair enough...

Originally Posted by Gas Man

Also, that is one great looking Rot I have always loved Rots. They are such a big muscle bound dog that are usually giant teddy bears.

That rott is a complete ham... I never did any training with him, only obedience, my last two were titled... and it was just a terrible loss when they died. Lots of time and effort spent between the dogs and I..

[Gas Man]

Please post more pics of the rot... puppy pics?

[Porkchop]

My dog had two blue eyes at birth. Around one year her right eye changed to brown from top to bottom. Her left eye followed a few months later..... EXCEPT, it stopped changing almost perfectly half way down the eye. So now she has one completly brown eye and one half brown half white eye. I guess instead of changing the bottom pigment just dissapeared. You dont really notice it because she has long bangs covering her eyes. But when she gets cut... its funny because from across the room, she always looks like she is looking up!

[Dova80]

Originally Posted by Gas Man

Please post more pics of the rot... puppy pics?

Unfortuantly I do not have any puppy pictures of him he is getting to be an old dog (roughly 8 years) and he is starting to show it.





This is him in my back yard, that is a normal 4.5 foot tall fence...


I thought I had more than this but I guess I have either lost them or never uploaded them.



I can throw my little shit head in the mix of puppy pictures

[Gas Man]

Love the rot.
The dox is cute

[Ninjakel]

I've trained my APBT with positive reinforcement. Any of the CF'ers who have met him in person can testify that he is a great dog.

Shock collars are not my thing. different schools of thought.

Oh and my APBT is also shutzhund training now. He's a natural. and if a person has a well rounded dog, etc, it does not make them aggressive.