DDM HID install GENII Busa - Page 2

Kerry_129 · 10-04-2009, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trip

I suggest a timer delay or a switch to keep the ballasts from firing as soon as you turn on the key if your lights turn on before the bike starts.

Ditto that - also because I think it's much harder on the bulb/ballast to cycle on/off/on.

Edit: Here ya go - I may try those on my VFR, and if so I'll probably go w/ this product: http://www.wolstentech.com/products/...delayrelay.php

RACER X · 10-05-2009, 10:58 AM

hmm..........to relay or not....

http://www.tripageled.com/PAGES/suzu...#HIDdelayrelay

alot of the guys on the busa board usa DEI 528T Delay Switch ($18 delivered) cheaper but larger and "harder" to wire up then the one above.

danging, now 1 of the bulbs on my DDM car setup is going bad, been on the car prolly a yr....we'll see how their warranty dept. goes.........

Kerry_129 · 10-05-2009, 12:44 PM

Personally, I'd definitely use the time delay relay to prevent the on/off/on cycling. I don't remember where I read that the cycling during warmup is particularly hard on HID ballasts/bulbs, but it makes sense given the fact that they have a large inrush current and take a bit to 'warm-up' - it couldn't do anything other than help prolong their life. You should be powering them thru a relay anyway & just using the stock headlight wire to trigger the relay, and the cost of the timer relay over a standard (high quality) 'bosche'-style isn't much - the one I posted is only ~$26 shipped.

http://www.wolstentech.com/products/...delayrelay.php

Oh - and while some bikes don't turn on the headlight until the bike is started, my GSXR750 switches on immediately & switches off when the starter is pressed. I'm assuming your Busa operates the same way. If not, and it doesn't switch the lights on 'til after starting, a timer relay would be redundant (though a regular relay should still be used).

marko138 · 10-05-2009, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerry_129

Personally, I'd definitely use the time delay relay to prevent the on/off/on cycling. I don't remember where I read that the cycling during warmup is particularly hard on HID ballasts/bulbs, but it makes sense given the fact that they have a large inrush current and take a bit to 'warm-up' - it couldn't do anything other than help prolong their life. You should be powering them thru a relay anyway & just using the stock headlight wire to trigger the relay, and the cost of the timer relay over a standard (high quality) 'bosche'-style isn't much - the one I posted is only ~$26 shipped.

http://www.wolstentech.com/products/...delayrelay.php

Oh - and while some bikes don't turn on the headlight until the bike is started, my GSXR750 switches on immediately & switches off when the starter is pressed. I'm assuming your Busa operates the same way. If not, and it doesn't switch the lights on 'til after starting, a timer relay would be redundant (though a regular relay should still be used).

I wired mine with a relay. Can I wire the timer right into the relay I've already run?

Kerry_129 · 10-05-2009, 01:10 PM

You could make it work, using the timer relay's output to power the other relay's trigger coil - but it would be relatively messy & give you twice the connections/components for potential failure. Also, the timer relay is solid state (transistor doing the switching), so I think its lifespan & reliability is probably much better than a mechanical relay. Since it just uses std. spade terminals, it should be easy to just replace your current one.

RACER X · 10-05-2009, 01:21 PM

hmm.........$26

1) extend the life of a ~$75 battery for ? longer,
2) extend the life of a $54 HID kit, w/ a lifetime warranty
3) intro another elec. component $26 that could fail and iif system should fail i would have to "take to" to deduce the problem

K.I.S.S.

Kerry_129 · 10-05-2009, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RACER X

hmm.........$26
3) intro another elec. component $26 that could fail and iif system should fail i would have to "take to" to deduce the problem

K.I.S.S.

To avoid overloading the headlight switch/circuit (due to much higher inrush, not operating current), it should be powered thru a relay regardless. Given that, why not use a device which maximizes the life of the system?

RACER X · 10-05-2009, 02:28 PM

lets assume it's a 30amp or even 20a fuse for the lighting.

in rush is 8-9amps max.......no biggie to the system.

personally i like the HIDS to draw straight off the battery myself. and have done 2 cars like this. but w/ bikes an limited space....

yes it'll maximize the sytem, it'll also add another component that could fail in a harsh env. like a bike.......so one could consider it a draw.......

still haven't ruled it out, honestly haven't even started the bike after installing the kit(yes i tested if it lights up)....the baby woke up an, and it was me and the kid in the garage , so i didn't want to make the noise.

RACER X · 10-05-2009, 04:01 PM

naw they have a wiring harness for car, and i guess you could use 1 for bikes.....but no relay

this is what they say in the info about the harness though

"HIDs require 6 amps of current in an instantaneous draw"

Amber Lamps · 10-05-2009, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RACER X

naw they have a wiring harness for car, and i guess you could use 1 for bikes.....but no relay

this is what they say in the info about the harness though

"HIDs require 6 amps of current in an instantaneous draw"

WOW!!! That's a fucking shit ton!!!!

10-05-2009, 10:58 AM	#2
RACER X AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Richmond, Tx Moto: '10 Tuono Factory Posts: 4,569	hmm..........to relay or not.... http://www.tripageled.com/PAGES/suzu...#HIDdelayrelay alot of the guys on the busa board usa DEI 528T Delay Switch ($18 delivered) cheaper but larger and "harder" to wire up then the one above. danging, now 1 of the bulbs on my DDM car setup is going bad, been on the car prolly a yr....we'll see how their warranty dept. goes......... __________________ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ 2014 GROM! 181cc of FURY 2010 Aprilia Tuono Factory - SOLD 2009 SFV Gladius - SOLD 2008 Hayabusa - SOLD.

10-05-2009, 12:44 PM	#3
Kerry_129 Semi-reformed Squid Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 531	Personally, I'd definitely use the time delay relay to prevent the on/off/on cycling. I don't remember where I read that the cycling during warmup is particularly hard on HID ballasts/bulbs, but it makes sense given the fact that they have a large inrush current and take a bit to 'warm-up' - it couldn't do anything other than help prolong their life. You should be powering them thru a relay anyway & just using the stock headlight wire to trigger the relay, and the cost of the timer relay over a standard (high quality) 'bosche'-style isn't much - the one I posted is only ~$26 shipped. http://www.wolstentech.com/products/...delayrelay.php Oh - and while some bikes don't turn on the headlight until the bike is started, my GSXR750 switches on immediately & switches off when the starter is pressed. I'm assuming your Busa operates the same way. If not, and it doesn't switch the lights on 'til after starting, a timer relay would be redundant (though a regular relay should still be used). Last edited by Kerry_129; 10-05-2009 at 12:48 PM..

10-05-2009, 01:21 PM	#6
RACER X AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Richmond, Tx Moto: '10 Tuono Factory Posts: 4,569	hmm.........$26 1) extend the life of a ~$75 battery for ? longer, 2) extend the life of a $54 HID kit, w/ a lifetime warranty 3) intro another elec. component $26 that could fail and iif system should fail i would have to "take to" to deduce the problem K.I.S.S. __________________ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ 2014 GROM! 181cc of FURY 2010 Aprilia Tuono Factory - SOLD 2009 SFV Gladius - SOLD 2008 Hayabusa - SOLD.

10-05-2009, 02:28 PM	#8
RACER X AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Richmond, Tx Moto: '10 Tuono Factory Posts: 4,569	lets assume it's a 30amp or even 20a fuse for the lighting. in rush is 8-9amps max.......no biggie to the system. personally i like the HIDS to draw straight off the battery myself. and have done 2 cars like this. but w/ bikes an limited space.... yes it'll maximize the sytem, it'll also add another component that could fail in a harsh env. like a bike.......so one could consider it a draw....... still haven't ruled it out, honestly haven't even started the bike after installing the kit(yes i tested if it lights up)....the baby woke up an, and it was me and the kid in the garage , so i didn't want to make the noise. __________________ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ 2014 GROM! 181cc of FURY 2010 Aprilia Tuono Factory - SOLD 2009 SFV Gladius - SOLD 2008 Hayabusa - SOLD. Last edited by RACER X; 10-05-2009 at 02:31 PM..

10-05-2009, 04:01 PM	#9
RACER X AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Richmond, Tx Moto: '10 Tuono Factory Posts: 4,569	naw they have a wiring harness for car, and i guess you could use 1 for bikes.....but no relay this is what they say in the info about the harness though "HIDs require 6 amps of current in an instantaneous draw" __________________ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ 2014 GROM! 181cc of FURY 2010 Aprilia Tuono Factory - SOLD 2009 SFV Gladius - SOLD 2008 Hayabusa - SOLD. Last edited by RACER X; 10-05-2009 at 04:03 PM..

10-05-2009, 01:10 PM	#5
Kerry_129 Semi-reformed Squid Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 531	You could make it work, using the timer relay's output to power the other relay's trigger coil - but it would be relatively messy & give you twice the connections/components for potential failure. Also, the timer relay is solid state (transistor doing the switching), so I think its lifespan & reliability is probably much better than a mechanical relay. Since it just uses std. spade terminals, it should be easy to just replace your current one.