So the Government shut down,

[Trip]

Originally Posted by derf

I suggest that you find out who your local representative is and politely explain your situation before you shank the shit out of him or her.

If the fuckin republicans push this shit too far and then get voted out of office and then we get gun laws forced on us, I am going to be fuckin pissed. You aren't going to change Obamacare right now, give it the fuck up.... What you are going to get, is get voted out of office and then we get all of the Democrat wet dreams put in place like they did with Obamacare thanks to Bushy...

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Trip

If the fuckin republicans push this shit too far and then get voted out of office and then we get gun laws forced on us, I am going to be fuckin pissed. You aren't going to change Obamacare right now, give it the fuck up.... What you are going to get, is get voted out of office and then we get all of the Democrat wet dreams put in place like they did with Obamacare thanks to Bushy...

Could have been worse. You could have gotten an actual single payer medicare system instead of the watered down shit that you got.

Oh..... wait.....

[Trip]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Could have been worse. You could have gotten an actual single payer medicare system instead of the watered down shit that you got.

Oh..... wait.....

My insurance is actually really good, much better than what my Dad receives in Canada. Of course he has American insurance that blows mine out of the water as well for when he is in the States. If I get thrown into Obamacare, I will be pissed.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Trip

My insurance is actually really good, much better than what my Dad receives in Canada. Of course he has American insurance that blows mine out of the water as well for when he is in the States. If I get thrown into Obamacare, I will be pissed.

I would be pissed too because you guys had the chance to do it right for basic coverage, better than us in fact, and it all got screwed up by partisan bullshit. A good single payer system allows for both two tier coverage and reduced costs, by bulk purchase. Public and private can co-exist. With the amount of money you folks pay for insurance the people paying the most for the best coverage could pay a little less, while still helping to cover the costs for those who can't afford ANY health insurance.

Your dad pays a fraction of what you do, for what he gets here by default. A supplemental health plan would easily bring him up to your level, while still paying less than what you do. You could have even better than that, for less than what you pay now, if your system was set up right (the way that ours should be).

[Trip]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

I would be pissed too because you guys had the chance to do it right for basic coverage, better than us in fact, and it all got screwed up by partisan bullshit. A good single payer system allows for both two tier coverage and reduced costs, by bulk purchase. Public and private can co-exist. With the amount of money you folks pay for insurance the people paying the most for the best coverage could pay a little less, while still helping to cover the costs for those who can't afford ANY health insurance.

Your dad pays a fraction of what you do, for what he gets here by default. A supplemental health plan would easily bring him up to your level, while still paying less than what you do. You could have even better than that, for less than what you pay now, if your system was set up right (the way that ours should be).

I have federal coverage, it's great and right now we aren't being forced on exchanges.

He pays similar for his Canada coverage that I do, prescription prices are very similar because my plan has a max for uncovered medication that I cannot pay over if no generic is available.

His high management level coverage in the States just crushes anything I could get as a worker bee without spending a small fortune.

Obamacare doesn't really bother me too much though. The only thing that I would like to see go is the individual mandate. That should of been shot down by the supreme court.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Trip

I have federal coverage, it's great and right now we aren't being forced on exchanges.

He pays similar for his Canada coverage that I do, prescription prices are very similar because my plan has a max for uncovered medication that I cannot pay over if no generic is available.

His high management level coverage in the States just crushes anything I could get as a worker bee without spending a small fortune.

Obamacare doesn't really bother me too much though. The only thing that I would like to see go is the individual mandate. That should of been shot down by the supreme court.

So he's a foreign national who actually pays for the care he receives here, rather than it being paid for by remittance? Well we've got to make SOMe money, don't we? It's not like we would charge him the same that we would a Canadian citizen

The best way to handle universal health care would be to take a basic rate from everyone who can afford it, for a basic level of care, then allow supplemental insurance to be added over and above that. The basic level of care would be overseen by a single payer system. Similar systems exist up here for auto insurance, and they seem to work reasonably well.

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Could have been worse. You could have gotten an actual single payer medicare system instead of the watered down shit that you got.

Oh..... wait.....

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[CasterTroy]

Originally Posted by Trip

get voted out of office and then we get all of the Democrat wet dreams put in place like they did with Obamacare thanks to Bushy...

This is my biggest fear.

It's over....we're already fooked (Obamacare) so stop showboating! In just a few months time we'll ALL see how bad of an idea this package is, and when it's grossly underfunded the whole country will turn on Obama.

All they're doing now is turning straight party voters against them too.

[fatbuckRTO]

Originally Posted by CasterTroy

All they're doing now is turning straight party voters against them too.

I'm in the "wait and see" phase on Obamacare, but I agree with this point completely. Republicans have been mismanaging every fight they've taken on since President Obama was elected (or about a year before, if you count McCain's pathetic excuse for a campaign). It's like the '08 election took the brains out of their sails.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by fatbuckRTO

I'm in the "wait and see" phase on Obamacare, but I agree with this point completely. Republicans have been mismanaging every fight they've taken on since President Obama was elected (or about a year before, if you count McCain's pathetic excuse for a campaign). It's like the '08 election took the brains out of their sails.

It's like they think they need to go more and more extreme, every time that they lose. The opposite is likely more true.