$447 bil - Page 2

Homeslice · 09-09-2011, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Smittie61984

The Greeks learned on rock cliffs in the outdoors. Schools should be built pretty much how (or at least last time I was on one) a military base is. Basic boring designs with boring desks and boring everything. Schools shouldn't look like the Taj Mahal.

The problem is that they won't monitor teacher performance. I remember a while back, D.C. offered teachers the chance to potentially make $150k (averging 60-70k then) a year based on performance. The Union wouldn't even let it come to a vote.

Teachers do pretty damn well for themselves. Especially when they take side jobs in the summer. Plus their benefits rival those of CEOs. Really good teachers don't take the job becuase they don't want to bust their asses and do everything they can to help children achieve when they will make less than a sorry ass teacher who sleeps in class because they have seniority.

Education can't be fixed by launching more money at it.

The only place teachers are making 60-70K is places like DC and NY due to the cost of living. Meanwhile, a first-year banking analyst, lawyer, or private military contractor in those cities is making $100-120K.

Go to a more typical city like Louisville or Indianapolis, and teachers make only like $30K

OneSickPsycho · 09-09-2011, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Homeslice

The only place teachers are making 60-70K is places like DC and NY due to the cost of living. Meanwhile, a first-year banking analyst, lawyer, or private military contractor in those cities is making $100-120K.

Go to a more typical city like Louisville or Indianapolis, and teachers make only like $30K

Really?

Because according to this site, average teacher's salary is $44k in Kentucky... and you better fucking believe they make more in the bigger cities...
http://www.teachersalaryinfo.com/ave...-kentucky.html

Indiana - $47k.

For 9 months work.

Starting salary might not be amazing, but there are plenty of office jobs for people right out of school that make less AND you need to work a full year to make that...

Teachers making peanuts is a fucking myth...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bpb9DymmoU

derf · 09-09-2011, 12:40 PM

So am I the only one who thought that the speech was purely political with 0% chance of anything actually coming from it?

Really, what i got out of the speech was the prez introducing a few programs that go against the GOP stances. This way in the upcoming election the dems can (any of them) say look at what we are trying to do for America, but the GOP is going against you and only for what their party wants.

Also, has everyone else forgotten about the budget comitee that needs to slash trillions off the federal budget by November?

Kaneman · 09-09-2011, 11:07 AM

You guys understand that unemployment runs out right? Its not a lifetime of riches and fortunes....

RACER X · 09-09-2011, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaneman

You guys understand that unemployment runs out right? Its not a lifetime of riches and fortunes....

how long should somebody be unemployed from their "career" 1-2-3yrs?

when should they change careers or "go get a job any job" ?

Kaneman · 09-09-2011, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RACER X

how long should somebody be unemployed from their "career" 1-2-3yrs?

when should they change careers or "go get a job any job" ?

There's no such thing as "go get any job." It is very easy to be overqualified for menial jobs if you've had a decent career leading up to the layoffs.

The U.S. can easily afford to take care of citizens who've fallen on hard times and don't necessarily want to end up homeless. Yes, there are those who will take advantage of the system, but it does not negate the need to take care of our own.

Corey · 09-09-2011, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaneman

There's no such thing as "go get any job." It is very easy to be overqualified for menial jobs if you've had a decent career leading up to the layoffs.

The U.S. can easily afford to take care of citizens who've fallen on hard times and don't necessarily want to end up homeless. Yes, there are those who will take advantage of the system, but it does not negate the need to take care of our own.

That's horseshit. The problem is people made a decision about what job is "beneath" them and don't apply for it. Does it suck to go from a career to a shit job? Fuck yes it does, but we can't just let people collect unemployment checks because they don't want to be a ditch digger.

Unemployment is fucking a ridiculous waste of money. It assists some people, but far too many people know how to abuse the fuck out of the system and use it to avoid working for as long as possible because it makes it way too easy for people to be sedentary. The money would be better off going to job stimulus programs and getting people who are unemployed trained into skill sets that would broaden their appeal to employers. Instead, we coddle these fucking idiots and promote laziness and poor work ethic.

Kaneman · 09-09-2011, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Corey

That's horseshit. The problem is people made a decision about what job is "beneath" them and don't apply for it.

So if you have a family with 3 kids, grocery bills and a mortgage you're supposed to take an $8.00 an hour job at McDonalds and some how be able to pay those bills. Yes, that sounds like an awesome plan. A "job" is not a magic cure all that ensures all the family's or individual's needs are met.

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so what time frame should we give somebody?

1-2-3-4-5-6 ? yrs?

The current time frames they use are excellent.

Homeslice · 09-09-2011, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RACER X

how long should somebody be unemployed from their "career" 1-2-3yrs?

when should they change careers or "go get a job any job" ?

Exactly. No matter how "overqualified" someone is, they could still get a job at Barnes & Noble or Trader Joes if they needed to.

Or, they could move to a different city, or re-train for a different career. Oh but wait, that would require some savings.......Can't have that.

Papa_Complex · 09-09-2011, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Homeslice

Exactly. No matter how "overqualified" someone is, they could still get a job at Barnes & Noble or Trader Joes if they needed to.

Sure, but they and their family might not be able to survive on the income from it.

09-09-2011, 12:40 PM	#3
derf token jewboy Join Date: Nov 2008 Moto: CBR 900, KLR ugly ass duckling, Gas Man Posts: 10,799	So am I the only one who thought that the speech was purely political with 0% chance of anything actually coming from it? Really, what i got out of the speech was the prez introducing a few programs that go against the GOP stances. This way in the upcoming election the dems can (any of them) say look at what we are trying to do for America, but the GOP is going against you and only for what their party wants. Also, has everyone else forgotten about the budget comitee that needs to slash trillions off the federal budget by November? __________________

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