Military fatalities...

Rider · 10-31-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PhiSig1071

I am a JSMSP certified, and I coach the MSF course on base at NAS Jax on occasion. They've started implementing the sportbike course there. It's tough, and not everybody who tries will pass it. I think it's a good thing.

It might help if they bring that tougher sport bike specific training to the civilian world.

Wouldn't hurt that's for sure.

PhiSig1071 · 10-31-2008, 11:03 AM

I completely agree, unfortunately we don't have the infrastructure in place to enforce than kind of mandate in the "civilian" world.

Captain Morgan · 10-31-2008, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Rider

It might help if they bring that tougher sport bike specific training to the civilian world.

Wouldn't hurt that's for sure.

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Originally Posted by PhiSig1071

I completely agree, unfortunately we don't have the infrastructure in place to enforce than kind of mandate in the "civilian" world.

That and motorcycle awareness for all the cagers...

PiZdETS · 10-31-2008, 11:51 AM

HOLY SHIT OVER 100 MPH!!!!!!

Srsly though, MSF beginner course to start out, then the advanced course when you want to get over a 750 for EVERYONE.

smileyman · 10-31-2008, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PhiSig1071

I completely agree, unfortunately we don't have the infrastructure in place to enforce than kind of mandate in the "civilian" world.

IF you had a insightful government regulating the insurance companies you could possibly enlist THEIR assets in offering / providing rider training. IF you had enough of a break on the $2400-$4800 per year premiums you would get the consumers support...IF.

As it is no, not enough deaths, not enough $$ lost by insurers...

t-homo · 10-31-2008, 12:09 PM

I just saw this and was getting ready to post it. Its sad really. 25 in the Marines and 33 in the navy, just in the last year.

PhiSig1071 · 10-31-2008, 12:16 PM

Yeah, we should definitely have a gradiated license system for motorcyclists. We have some of the toughest laws governing the operation of a motorcycle (ie speeding tickets) yet we still havemore fatalities than any European country. IMO that's because of greater awareness because of more prevalance and the licensing systems they have there.

Shift · 10-31-2008, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by t-rock

I just saw this and was getting ready to post it. Its sad really. 25 in the Marines and 33 in the navy, just in the last year.

The Marines number is worse for the number of riders. 25 out of 18,000 in one year. Last year in 07 the average for all riders in the US was only near 8 deaths per 10,000 registered motorcycles.

smileyman · 10-31-2008, 12:32 PM

Maybe the statistics just speak highly of our military prowess...I mean if it is safer to be deployed in a a hostile country with suicidal terrorists bent on your destruction than ride a motorcycle in your own country

Perhaps the media blows our combat caualties out of proportion

Either way one death is just too many if anyone, govt, insurance co, friends, can do anything to avoid it!

No Worries · 10-31-2008, 01:40 PM

Not just the Navy and Marines, but the Army also has a training program. From the Denver Post: "The Army, which also has a training program, lost 36 soldiers in sport-bike accidents in the same time period (as the Navy and Marine study). The accidents follow a pattern: excessive speed, poor cornering and insufficient braking." Full article: http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_10816770.

Cornering and braking can be taught. As for the excessive speed thing, I'm still trying to learn that myself.

10-31-2008, 11:03 AM	#2
PhiSig1071 Let go of my ears. Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Jacksonville, FL Moto: '03 GSX-R600, '04 625SMC Posts: 1,394	I completely agree, unfortunately we don't have the infrastructure in place to enforce than kind of mandate in the "civilian" world. __________________ Entia non sunt multiplicanda necessitatem

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PiZdETS ⎷⎛⎝ ⎝⏠⏝⏠⎠ ⎷⎛⎝ Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: ⎷⎛⎝ ⎝⏠⏝⏠⎠ ⎷⎛⎝ Moto: ⎷⎛⎝ ⎝⏠⏝⏠⎠ ⎷⎛⎝ Posts: 990	HOLY SHIT OVER 100 MPH!!!!!! Srsly though, MSF beginner course to start out, then the advanced course when you want to get over a 750 for EVERYONE. __________________

10-31-2008, 12:16 PM	#7
PhiSig1071 Let go of my ears. Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Jacksonville, FL Moto: '03 GSX-R600, '04 625SMC Posts: 1,394	Yeah, we should definitely have a gradiated license system for motorcyclists. We have some of the toughest laws governing the operation of a motorcycle (ie speeding tickets) yet we still havemore fatalities than any European country. IMO that's because of greater awareness because of more prevalance and the licensing systems they have there. __________________ Entia non sunt multiplicanda necessitatem

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smileyman White Trash Hero Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NW Arkansas Moto: Buell 1125R Porco Rosso Edition Posts: 4,895	Maybe the statistics just speak highly of our military prowess...I mean if it is safer to be deployed in a a hostile country with suicidal terrorists bent on your destruction than ride a motorcycle in your own country Perhaps the media blows our combat caualties out of proportion Either way one death is just too many if anyone, govt, insurance co, friends, can do anything to avoid it! __________________ Arkriders.com To be the best you must first be willing to risk the worst!

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t-homo WSB Champion Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Springfield, MO Posts: 7,146	I just saw this and was getting ready to post it. Its sad really. 25 in the Marines and 33 in the navy, just in the last year.

10-31-2008, 01:40 PM	#10
No Worries Keyboard Racer Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mile High City Moto: Old Superbikes Posts: 1,016	Not just the Navy and Marines, but the Army also has a training program. From the Denver Post: "The Army, which also has a training program, lost 36 soldiers in sport-bike accidents in the same time period (as the Navy and Marine study). The accidents follow a pattern: excessive speed, poor cornering and insufficient braking." Full article: http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_10816770. Cornering and braking can be taught. As for the excessive speed thing, I'm still trying to learn that myself.