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06-16-2010, 01:47 PM | #1 | |
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Yes it is illegal \ that is unlawful. Illegal unlawful whatever you'd like to call it. Unlawful \ illegal means that a law has been violated. It simply means that someone said fuck off to a law on the books. It does NOT mean a crime has been commited. In order for something to be a crime it must violate penal\criminal law. To jack off round the country with an expired Visa does not touch balls with Federal criminal law. It violates civil law. Its not a crime to park in Handicapped parking spot but it is illegal. |
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06-16-2010, 01:50 PM | #2 | |
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Its law. Its pretty straightforward. Criminal law and Civil law. In one...they have to prove your guilty. In the other...we sue the shit out of each other. OJ is aquitted in one. OJ has to sell give up his cash in the other. Visa violations violate US civil law but they do not violate any criminal laws. |
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So they are here legally?
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06-16-2010, 02:28 PM | #6 | |
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In one... they get proven guilty, go to jail, then get deported. In the other...they are determined to have violated immigration law, then get deported. Either way they are gone, or would be if the federal government decided to actually enforce the immigration laws. |
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Which gives these illegals an "entitlement complex" (particularly the Mexican ones, for whatever reason) where they start pulling the race card and talk about how gringos stole their land and how our culture would be plain & boring without them |
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When I Googled "How to stay on an expired visa" Wiki answers gives this: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_can_yo...sa_has_expired Quote:
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No they are here illegally (in my example).
Illegal act does not = Criminal Act Criminal Act = Act which falls under Criminal law. We have a However, the US government has decided that this is not criminal act and is instead a procedural issue. Quote:
Crime is an act or omission which is prohibited by criminal law. If the US penal system does not expressely state something then it is not a crime. Maybe thats the way it works in your Faggy snowball of a country called Canada but we things called paper and on that paper are words and those words contain all sort of rules and regulations that define who things operate. Just cause they seem the same doesn't mean they are the same. Quote:
The crime isn't the parking violation. The crime is failure to pay the ticket. As far as criminal law is concerned....we don't give a fizzuck about where you parked. We only care about you paying the state the money...bizznitch. Quote:
Therefore every individual in your example (based on the assumption that being in the country without proper status is a criminal act) would be entitled to a jury trial and legal representation. Can you please give an example specifically citing a case (since it would be public record...federal court cases are pretty easy to look up and find shit) where a state resident was charged with the crime of "Being in the United States with an Expired Visa\ or invalid paperwork" and cite the penal code violated? There must be tons of em. Figure a lot of people in the federal penetentiary system, lots of court cases. They can't fast track em since to do so would raise contitutional issues. Would seem to be a big pain in the ass since it would be a lot easier to just leave it a code violation. I wonder how many people are locked up for EPA violations? |
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enough with you petty BS The part in my post that has tickled your jackass-bone Quote:
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People that are not allowed here get deported.
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