Derf and Dave

[Sixxxxer]

Hope you guys are ok...

The Three of us Rode today...we were on our way home crossing over into Jersey and a Port Authority Cop Pulled them Over at the Base of the Jersey Side Bridge...

I havent heard anything...

They werent even doing anything reckless...I think the cop just thought they were Because Daves bike is OBNOXIOUS even at a low Speed...I was stuck behind a Car merging onto the Bridge and Saw the Cop as I merged and Dave and Derf were already ahead of me...hence why i didnt get pulled over as well.

Hope they dont have to much Bullshit to deal with....

:boobs:

[Sixxxxer]

Well...I take that Back...

Just got a Text, NOT Looking good.

[tached1000rr]

Hopefully just a verbal or warning only....

[Trip]

tickets or something worse?

[Sixxxxer]

Well from what i can gather....They both got there bikes towed.

[Amber Lamps]

Well from what i can gather....They both got there bikes towed.

Whoa now THAT SUCKS!!!

[Trip]

WTF, jeez what the hell for?

[Amber Lamps]

I hope they both have mc endorsements on their licenses...

[rogue]

Awwww Fuck! :panic: :panic:

[Sixxxxer]

looks like the cop is saying 78 in a 45...Wreckless and They both had Expired Insurance and Registrations...

Ill let them tell the actual story...but thats what my text said..

[Amber Lamps]

looks like the cop is saying 78 in a 45...Wreckless and They both had Expired Insurance and Registrations...

Ill let them tell the actual story...but thats what my text said..

Oops! I'm sorry but riding on an expired registration is just silly imho! I hope that's not the case...

[neebelung]

Holy shit.... Hope everything turns out okay for them.

[derf]

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[Amber Lamps]

Oh no!!! What's all the grinning about? What's it gonna cost to get your bikes back? Oh and are you both wearing *gasp* jeans?!?! No wonder he towed your bikes!

[derf]

The grinning is about not being in the back of the squad car.

Bikes are gonna be freed tomorrow. $90


I got 3 tix, speeding, reckless, and no insurance (I had an expired card, I actually have insurance). Dave is pretty much the same. I dropped him off at his house and we are gonna go pick them up tomorrow with my truck.

[Amber Lamps]

The grinning is about not being in the back of the squad car.

Bikes are gonna be freed tommorrow. $90


Whew! Good stuff! Are they going to let you take them without insurance and registrations? Or wasn't that the actual problem?

[Amber Lamps]

Nice ninja edit Daniel-san!

[101lifts2]

Did they tow ur bikes because of the 78 or the expired regs? And a D and D pipe = automatic squid. lol

[derf]

If I can't get a new card made up I am pretty sure that we can dump them in my truck and rive them back. Same goes for Dave.

Lack of proof of insurance

[derf]

The cop said that when we go to court he will drop the reckless, and I have a plan to get my tow money back, but I can't openly talk about it now

[tommymac]

if its just not having your proof of reg and ins on you thats a lot better, that stuff usualy gets tossed out, in NY it does anyway. now i am not sure if i want to head down there for a ride with all you riff raff :lol:

Tom

[derf]

Yeh teh insurance will get thrown out along with the reckless , we both have insurance, just no card. I had the temp card they gave me when I got the bike which I thought I replaced when I got the perm one in the mail. I've been riding around since september with an expired card, but my inurance is paid through Aug

[derf]

and another :(

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[snigg]

Man the mods over here are squids, I'm right at home HA. What did you do that was wreckless?

[derf]

last one

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[derf]

Man the mods over here are squids, I'm right at home HA. What did you do that was wreckless?

We rode across a bridge that the cop saw some dude die on last year so he was pissed at us. After he finished writing the tix he explained that last year he chased a guy who ran off the side of the bridge andf he was angry at us and decided that since we pulled over right away he would drop that ticket. The cop came out right in the beggining yelling at us, then after he was in the car for a while after he wrote the tix he calmed down and told us when we go to court it will be dropped.

All in all we just got hosed

[tommymac]

So who got you guys anyway, NJSP or locals? I have heard mixed things about jersey troopers but havent had the pleasure of meeting one yet.

Tom

[Amber Lamps]

The cop said that when we go to court he will drop the reckless, and I have a plan to get my tow money back, but I can't openly talk about it now

Well if your plan doesn't work, see if you have towing coverage through the AMA, AAA, your insurance, your cell phone, etc. and tell them your bike broke down and send them a copy of the bill.:idk:

[derf]

Well if your plan doesn't work, see if you have towing coverage through the AMA, AAA, your insurance, your cell phone, etc. and tell them your bike broke down and send them a copy of the bill.:idk:

Yeh I got AAA, but I think that the words IMPOUND LOT pretty much negates any luck with that

[snigg]

you rode across the bridge on one or two wheels? He has no choice but to throw it out. You rode across a bridge, albeit significantly over the speed limit, but that does not constitute a wreckless driving ticket.

[derf]

The worst part was is that I told the tow truck guy where we would be waiting and that he should drop off the bikes there. After liek 10 minutes of waiting he drove right past us so I started to chase him, but he was just heading back over the bridge.

[tommymac]

We rode across a bridge that the cop saw some dude die on last year so he was pissed at us. After he finished writing the tix he explained that last year he chased a guy who ran off the side of the bridge andf he was angry at us and decided that since we pulled over right away he would drop that ticket. The cop came out right in the beggining yelling at us, then after he was in the car for a while after he wrote the tix he calmed down and told us when we go to court it will be dropped.

All in all we just got hosed

I have been in similar situations where the cops get all pissed at you, usualy if oure cool with them and see you werent doing stupid stuff they may calm down and it wont be as bad.

But thats not always the case unfortunatley.

Tom

[derf]

you rode across the bridge on one or two wheels? He has no choice but to throw it out. You rode across a bridge, albeit significantly over the speed limit, but that does not constitute a wreckless driving ticket.

Two wheels, and we were not going any faster than the rest of traffic

[derf]

Yeh, last post then off to bed.

Anyone see that reality show called parking wars about where folks get towed and have to get their cars from the impound lot and there is always something missing so the people get pissed, and they show how many hours it takes for people to get cars out? Yeh thats where we need to go tommorrow!

http://www.aetv.com/parking-wars/

[snigg]

Two wheels, and we were not going any faster than the rest of traffic

ok well in that case the only advice i can offer is....you shoulda ran. :)

[Amber Lamps]

you rode across the bridge on one or two wheels? He has no choice but to throw it out. You rode across a bridge, albeit significantly over the speed limit, but that does not constitute a wreckless driving ticket.

Oh yea it does if they were doing 1 1/2 times the speed limit! Heck, I had a cop write me a careless for crossing a double yellow. I believe it's mostly up to the cops discretion what HE considers to be reckless. Of course the judge can throw it out in court but the cop has the "right" to write the ticket.

[Amber Lamps]

ok well in that case the only advice i can offer is....you shoulda ran. :)

Yea I kinda thought that myself....

[derf]

once the reckless is thrown out and the insurance is proven I am going to try and plead the speeding tix to a lesser charge, I'll prolly have to pay more, but hopefully it wont count against me as a moving violation

[derf]

ok well in that case the only advice i can offer is....you shoulda ran. :)

Ummm there were multiple cop cars and a helo flying around, no way we could have ran, even if we wanted to. Over the course of the stop we saw 5 different cop cars.

[derf]

And scott since you prolly saw it, where did that cop car come from? its a mighty long bridge

[tommymac]

Oh yea it does if they were doing 1 1/2 times the speed limit! Heck, I had a cop write me a careless for crossing a double yellow. I believe it's mostly up to the cops discretion what HE considers to be reckless. Of course the judge can throw it out in court but the cop has the "right" to write the ticket.

thats a good and bad thing writing a wreckless/careless driving ticket since it is at the cops discression. If he wants to be a dick he can realy hammer you for it, but they can also be tossed kinda easily compared to a speeder where he got you on radar.

Tom

[marko138]

First of all, cops are fucking dickheads.

Second, you guys should know better than to ride without proper paperwork.

[tached1000rr]

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My question is who took the pic? Mr. Towtruck driver? On the next episode of Wrecked it's Derf and Dave.

[derf]

Daves GF, Good news is that rider faxed me my proof of insurance to my work (also means I need to go into work) so I can go once and get the bike out soon.

[Dave]

it was delaware port authority cops ie: bridge only. ive never seen them do shit there before so i guess they are hurting for money as well. my bad for riding on old cards, im bout to print out some new ones and go get the reg fixed. hey derf, i looked at the impound paperwork and they arent in a PPA lot, its a private tow company on 61st. ought to be a snap getting them out

[the chi]

DAYUM guys!! Glad you werent arrested! Good luck, keep us posted...

[derf]

Got my new papers and as soon as i get the call dave and I are gonna go free willys

[derf]

DAYUM guys!! Glad you werent arrested! Good luck, keep us posted...

Nobody was getting arrested, we just both had expired insurance cards. Not like we didnt actually have insurance

[the chi]

I dunno, yankees are weird, you never know what might happen...:wink:

[Dave]

all my papers are clear now. even got new stickers for the blade. waiting for derf to come over so we can ride up and watching some of donington park

[Gas Man]

WOW... I always make sure my papers are stat. Crazy!!

[Dave]

well we paid their bail but not before the rape. derf had a new dent, some cracked up fairings and a few missing bolts and i had a bent toe peg on my kickstand and combustion chambers FULL of oil. interesting enough both my trip clocks had been reset. i think derf is planning to sue, he has before/after pics...i however have no such proof my bike was in excellent shape before incarceration. shes recovering in the garage now chilling on the tender. now we just gotta get ready for the court date...

[goof2]

you rode across the bridge on one or two wheels? He has no choice but to throw it out. You rode across a bridge, albeit significantly over the speed limit, but that does not constitute a wreckless driving ticket.

I no longer live there but so I don't know if it is still this way, but it used to be automatic in Virginia for any 20+mph over ticket.

[derf]

Yeh, I'm gonna ask for the money for the broken parts. Both mid pannels and the gas tank are fucked. I didnt take any pictures from the left side, but I did take some picture from the right side, which is where the gas tank is knocked in.

I got a quick estimate for the cost of the gas tank and the 2 side panels from honda, $1500. Thats how much I'm going to ask for when I talk to the tow company. Ive called a few times, but their boss doesn't seem to be there ever. I don't really want to sue, and I hope we can work out a deal before it gets to that. If it has to go to court I'm going to ask for every little gasket, fastener and widget be paid for, brining the cost close to $2k

[derf]

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[Rider]

That's fucked. I hope you get the cash out of those bastards to fix it.

[tached1000rr]

Dang man, that sucks, this story gets worse and worse! So much for handle with care.

[the chi]

This is turning into a horror story...:tremble:

[MILK]

This is turning into a horror story...:tremble:

No crap right?

[derf]

The only saving grace is that I took pictures of it on the flatbed without the damage to the gas tank and the right side. If it has to go to court then those pictures are proof that there was damage done to the right side (and in my mind) its a reasonable jump to assume that damage to one side opens the possibility of damage to the other side.

The worst part is that when I got my permanent insurance card in the mail a while back I switched it with the temp card, I must have mixed them up somehow and that is how I had the expired one. Dave got his new one in the mail today too.

[tached1000rr]

Derf I don't blame you for going after them to repair the bike, BUT I wonder how much you will spend in court, legal fees, time off work etc??? In other words, you might want to go for $1500 plus all that as well or keep in mind you might invest further funds and not see the return you are looking for.

[derf]

Derf I don't blame you for going after them to repair the bike, BUT I wonder how much you will spend in court, legal fees, time off work etc??? In other words, you might want to go for $1500 plus all that as well or keep in mind you might invest further funds and not see the return you are looking for.

Oh yeh dude, I'm jewish I was born with a calculator. I already started to keep a log of how much its costing me for this thing in time, gas, tolls, etc...

[tached1000rr]

Cool! Carry on....

[derf]

Contacted a lawyer.... (aka my brother in law, but he practices out of philly)

[Amber Lamps]

Man I bet they dropped them unloading at the yard!!!:panic: Man, I'm gonna say two things to you, get rid of the D&D exhaust and get a radar detector! I'm so jinxing myself but since I've done these two things, I haven't had any problems with Johnny Law. That exhaust is a cop magnet! It announces your presence well before you arrive and has them looking for you. Your call but all D&D exhausts do is sell cheap and call undo attention to you, bro. Typically, they make the least hp of any exhaust on the market. If you do get any money, try and fit that into your budget. Btw take pics and an estimate of Dave's bike as well. The fact that you can prove your bike was damaged also makes a case for his! Shit the dumb asses probably had yours released and on the kick stand and released the left strap of Dave's bike and boom into yours and over they both went! If you go in with proof, the owner will have to acknowledge that his guys did it. Shit he was probably there when it happened and that's why he's ducking you. Call again, if he won't answer, ask for the name of their liability insurance company. Call them and see what they say about this. I had to do that with a car that I had towed once.:lol:

[No Worries]

Bummer. I got pulled over in my cage in New Jersey by a State Trooper. This was in 1977 and I was in a 1965 Chrysler 300. It had a 413 engine and push-button auto transmission that I had installed a B&M Trans-Pak. It could leave rubber for three blocks, and every time it shifted, it felt like someone kicked you in the behind. But I wasn't doing anything wrong at the time.

After checking my license and reg, he said he pulled me over because he never saw a Colorado license plate before and assumed I stole the car and/or plates.

[derf]

Call again, if he won't answer, ask for the name of their liability insurance company. Call them and see what they say about this. I had to do that with a car that I had towed once.:lol:

I've called a number of times, and he hasn't shown up to work yet, the place closes office hours at 5 so I'm gonna call now, thanks for the tip on the liability I'll ask for that info too.

Edit 1: I'ming with the lawyer

Edit 2: Lawyer is telling me to do stuff ive already done, called the shop again, owner isn't there, and the regular emloyees don't have liability insurance information

edit 3: getting some good legal advice

[Tmall]

Have the lawyer call the shop...

[derf]

He asked me to try and work it out first with the shop if we need to go to small claims court he will represent me, and provide legal advice along the way. All pro bono unless we win in which case he will include his fees in the requested judgement and get paid like that. I wish I could use him for the traffic tickets but he isnt liscensed in NJ just PA


DAVE, I am PMing you some legal info for July 15, sorry about the small talk and other stuff, but read through it

[Sixxxxer]

Fuck Man thats Shitty...

The cop was sitting at the end of the bridge behind two concrete barriers...But I dont think there was ANYWAY he could have clocked you guys going 78...He didnt pull out until I was already halfway up the bridge and By then you guys were damn near at the top.

I think the Speeding is Bogus...

He was chilling on the left right when you guys merged on...I saw him and went into chill mode immediatly...then saw him pull out and knew you guys were fucked...But I think he thought you were doign more shit than you really were b/c I heard daves bike...

[derf]

There was a helocopter involved too, it was flying over us the whole time we were stopped

[Gas Man]

Bottom line is that this is unfortuanately very common

[tached1000rr]

Yep, loud exhaust draws the wrong kind of attention. It always sound like the biker is going faster than they likely are.

[Dave]

Man I bet they dropped them unloading at the yard!!!:panic: Man, I'm gonna say two things to you, get rid of the D&D exhaust and get a radar detector! I'm so jinxing myself but since I've done these two things, I haven't had any problems with Johnny Law. That exhaust is a cop magnet! It announces your presence well before you arrive and has them looking for you. Your call but all D&D exhausts do is sell cheap and call undo attention to you, bro. Typically, they make the least hp of any exhaust on the market. If you do get any money, try and fit that into your budget. Btw take pics and an estimate of Dave's bike as well. The fact that you can prove your bike was damaged also makes a case for his! Shit the dumb asses probably had yours released and on the kick stand and released the left strap of Dave's bike and boom into yours and over they both went! If you go in with proof, the owner will have to acknowledge that his guys did it. Shit he was probably there when it happened and that's why he's ducking you. Call again, if he won't answer, ask for the name of their liability insurance company. Call them and see what they say about this. I had to do that with a car that I had towed once.:lol:

unless it starts shitting oil regularly i dont have any case. i'll keep an eye on it but i think its fine. i want out of the whole bike so pipe im not too concerned with. we'll see what happens next month

[derf]

My bike isnt loud at all, not compared to yours anyway

[Dave]

troof

[BobTheBiker]

Gimme your 954, you can have my 78 CB750, I'll be good with that.

[Dave]

zat one of the ones with the quad pipes? plus cash i think id be fine with that lawls

[VatorMan]

OK-As long as your claim is below 5K-go to small claims. It's your words (and pics) against his. No Lawyers allowed. Guaranteed to collect your cash as it will be a judgement. If the asshole tries to not pay-he'll lose his ability to tow for any LEOs.

Trust me on this.

[derf]

Like I said I am not asking for alot, enough to pay for the parts as new from a dealership, and thats not all the parts either, there are a bunch of (relatively) expensive fasteners that are missing too, possibly broken off when it was dropped. If the guy wants to go to court my bro-in-law practices in philly and already volunteered his services, in which case I'm gonna pull out my super jew calculation skills on him and account for every penny it will cost me. i forgot to get a reciept for the toll today going to get the bike, but I had to drive aprox 12 miles out of my way to get the estimate for the parts, thats 1/2 gal of gas at $2.37. Tomorrow after work I am taking the bike to a body shop to get a full estimate.

This also wasnt a mom and pop tow company, it looked fairly large

[derf]

This has been keeping me awake. I decided to go back to philly tommorrow after work with the bike to file a police report for the damages. I called the philadelphia police and they said that there is no time limit to file the report, and that I should bring the bike with me. I am also brinign some pictures from the rally of the bike with no damage.

[Amber Lamps]

This has been keeping me awake. I decided to go back to philly tommorrow after work with the bike to file a police report for the damages. I called the philadelphia police and they said that there is no time limit to file the report, and that I should bring the bike with me. I am also brinign some pictures from the rally of the bike with no damage.

Do you have full coverage? Worst case, your insurance pays for the damage and subrogates his insurance. As this is a comprehensive claim, it shouldn't affect your rates going forward. Just a thought.

[marko138]

Man that is really shitty.

[tommymac]

A friend did a similar thing in NY. Two bikes were impounded and he went ot small claims court for one, the other the damage was over 5k so he had to go to a different court. The small claims court one was with suing the towing company. The bigger one I am not sure who they sued though.

Tom

[Sixxxxer]

Fuck...Thats Shitty as hell

[derf]

A friend did a similar thing in NY. Two bikes were impounded and he went ot small claims court for one, the other the damage was over 5k so he had to go to a different court. The small claims court one was with suing the towing company. The bigger one I am not sure who they sued though.

Tom

Do you know what teh outcome of those cases were?

I'm sure It will wind up in small claims court, there is no doubt in my mind. I have called now 6 times to talk to the supervisor and he hasnt been in, which i found out is a normal tactic they stall you as long as they can to try to get them off your back, and so that you pass the police report deadline (5 calender days in philly). I am heading to the DRPA station now to file a grieveance with them, needs to be done also within 5 days, then to the philly police station, then I'm going over to the shop, and I'm gonna sit outside and wait for the supervisor.

I also asked the lawyer to draft up a letter for me to send to the guy

[Dave]

time to start blocking corzine's new budget as best we can. Maybe dickhead'll get fired :lol:

[derf]

Minor update.

I went to pic up the damage report before towing from the DRPA, then I went to the local police department near the tow yard to fill out a damage report, oh yeh, and I said hi to a buddy who works in that precinct. I should get the police report in a few days from my buddy otherwise it would take a few weeks.

Then I stopped back by the tow truck company to see if I could talk to the supervisor there again, and I was told (by another truck driver not the supervisor) that I caused the damage and that the pictures I had were not good enough. I should call again later. So I told them I was going to sit in my car and wait for the supervisor to show up. After 1/2 hour a cop knocks on my car window and says that I need to leave because he got a report that I was hastling their customers. When he knocked on my door I was reading a book. So i explained the situation and he said that i should call the insurance company. Overall an interesting afternoon.

[Gas Man]

Good job harrassing the customers while sit quietly reading your book. FUCK THEM!

[Dave]

Minor update.

I went to pic up the damage report before towing from the DRPA, then I went to the local police department near the tow yard to fill out a damage report, oh yeh, and I said hi to a buddy who works in that precinct. I should get the police report in a few days from my buddy otherwise it would take a few weeks.

Then I stopped back by the tow truck company to see if I could talk to the supervisor there again, and I was told (by another truck driver not the supervisor) that I caused the damage and that the pictures I had were not good enough. I should call again later. So I told them I was going to sit in my car and wait for the supervisor to show up. After 1/2 hour a cop knocks on my car window and says that I need to leave because he got a report that I was hastling their customers. When he knocked on my door I was reading a book. So i explained the situation and he said that i should call the insurance company. Overall an interesting afternoon.

jeez dude. Called bbb yet?

[derf]

Yeh called the BBB on the drive home. I also filed a complaint against them with the DRPA

[rogue]

Damn. The whole incident is just fucked up.

[snigg]

The lesson in all this: Don't be a squid.

[derf]

Nothing squidly about it, just dumb bad luck.

Anyway I guess I was harrassing customers now that I look back. I did talk to everyone that walked up and told them to check their car for damage before they pay.

[tommymac]

Do you know what teh outcome of those cases were?

I'm sure It will wind up in small claims court, there is no doubt in my mind. I have called now 6 times to talk to the supervisor and he hasnt been in, which i found out is a normal tactic they stall you as long as they can to try to get them off your back, and so that you pass the police report deadline (5 calender days in philly). I am heading to the DRPA station now to file a grieveance with them, needs to be done also within 5 days, then to the philly police station, then I'm going over to the shop, and I'm gonna sit outside and wait for the supervisor.

I also asked the lawyer to draft up a letter for me to send to the guy

he won th elesser case, towing co never even showed first time, second time thye sent some guy who knew nothing about the case. So we shredded him. Not sure of the second one though since he kinda screwed me over on a few things surrounding our legal issues stemming from that and it would have required me giving a severe beatdown.

Tom

[derf]

Now I'm starting to wonder if I should go through small claims court or if I should go through the insurance co?

[tommymac]

Now I'm starting to wonder if I should go through small claims court or if I should go through the insurance co?

I would think small claims court may be easier, but it depends on the ins. When th ebitch hit my bike I got paid in a rather timeley manner, but when the ambulance hit it that was a nightmare, but thats dealing with city agencies. :td:

Tom

[Amber Lamps]

Minor update.

I went to pic up the damage report before towing from the DRPA, then I went to the local police department near the tow yard to fill out a damage report, oh yeh, and I said hi to a buddy who works in that precinct. I should get the police report in a few days from my buddy otherwise it would take a few weeks.

Then I stopped back by the tow truck company to see if I could talk to the supervisor there again, and I was told (by another truck driver not the supervisor) that I caused the damage and that the pictures I had were not good enough. I should call again later. So I told them I was going to sit in my car and wait for the supervisor to show up. After 1/2 hour a cop knocks on my car window and says that I need to leave because he got a report that I was hastling their customers. When he knocked on my door I was reading a book. So i explained the situation and he said that i should call the insurance company. Overall an interesting afternoon.


You should have explained to the officer that they refuse to give you the insurance information and asked him if he would get it for you. He may have done it, who knows?

[derf]

I tried, but he was asking me to leave at that point

[derf]

So I talked to the lawyer again to float an idea I had. I called my insurance company and I reported it, they are going to send me to an adjuster to get an estimate. Depending on what he values the damage at vs what I priced out I will either go through the insurance company or withdraw the insurance claim and go through the courts.

If I go through the courts I am going to sue for parts from the dealership, plus any costs associated with the whole deal, including the fee to get it out of impound (lawyer said that one is hot or miss depends on the judge), tolls, gas, time, court fees, and the condom I will use when I rape him over the coals. There are still some things up in the air, and there is also the possibilty that the bike will be totaled by the adjuster which could suck.

[Dave]

So I talked to the lawyer again to float an idea I had. I called my insurance company and I reported it, they are going to send me to an adjuster to get an estimate. Depending on what he values the damage at vs what I priced out I will either go through the insurance company or withdraw the insurance claim and go through the courts.

If I go through the courts I am going to sue for parts from the dealership, plus any costs associated with the whole deal, including the fee to get it out of impound (lawyer said that one is hot or miss depends on the judge), tolls, gas, time, court fees, and the condom I will use when I rape him over the coals. There are still some things up in the air, and there is also the possibilty that the bike will be totaled by the adjuster which could suck.

theres always buy back

[derf]

But then the question is how much for the buy back, and repairs?

[VatorMan]

You guys got hosed. Surely there is a greasy NY lawyer you can turn this BS over to. Buttfuck that Ahole tow truck service to bankruptcy.

[tommymac]

So I talked to the lawyer again to float an idea I had. I called my insurance company and I reported it, they are going to send me to an adjuster to get an estimate. Depending on what he values the damage at vs what I priced out I will either go through the insurance company or withdraw the insurance claim and go through the courts.

If I go through the courts I am going to sue for parts from the dealership, plus any costs associated with the whole deal, including the fee to get it out of impound (lawyer said that one is hot or miss depends on the judge), tolls, gas, time, court fees, and the condom I will use when I rape him over the coals. There are still some things up in the air, and there is also the possibilty that the bike will be totaled by the adjuster which could suck.

Gtiven the age of the bike and the damage thats a possibility, als get a couple of estimates from a shop or 2 for the total repair costs plus labor. between the 2 "accidents" where the futura got knocked over I got about 6k back and prolly sunk 2500 back into the bike ;)

Tom

[Amber Lamps]

Gtiven the age of the bike and the damage thats a possibility, als get a couple of estimates from a shop or 2 for the total repair costs plus labor. between the 2 "accidents" where the futura got knocked over I got about 6k back and prolly sunk 2500 back into the bike ;)

Tom


Exactly! This is a no lose situation for you! If they total the bike, they'll cut you a check for retail minus the buy back, which will be anywhere from $100-1000 depending on your insurance company and what the salvage yards pay for bikes in your area. Example; My '01 GSXR1000 was totaled in '03 and my buy back was $150 (no bs). My '06 was totaled last year, the ins co paid $8700 (approx. $1500 less than new) and my buy back was $1200. In both cases it cost MAYBE $3000 to get the bikes back to good! You cannot lose.

[tommymac]

Exactly! This is a no lose situation for you! If they total the bike, they'll cut you a check for retail minus the buy back, which will be anywhere from $100-1000 depending on your insurance company and what the salvage yards pay for bikes in your area. Example; My '01 GSXR1000 was totaled in '03 and my buy back was $150 (no bs). My '06 was totaled last year, the ins co paid $8700 (approx. $1500 less than new) and my buy back was $1200. In both cases it cost MAYBE $3000 to get the bikes back to good! You cannot lose.

Only problem with that is getting it street legal, In NY its a major PITA to get a bike streetable with a salvage title, I think NJ may be kinda bad too, but its def something to look into.

Tom

[derf]

in NJ you have to submit to a special inspection where they o over the bike with a fine tooth comb and look at every thing

[tommymac]

in NJ you have to submit to a special inspection where they o over the bike with a fine tooth comb and look at every thing

Same in NY. I had heard its not as bad in other states. here those bikes usualy become good track bikes.

Tom

[Amber Lamps]

Same thing in NC but you would go over the bike after the repair anyway, right?:idk: Oh and your bike isn't all that damaged, bro. Seriously, a body kit, some bondo and paint.... Hell, your bike could pass that inspection right now most likely. In any case, if they total it they'll cut you a check for $3500+ and you can get a new bike.

Like...http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/mcy/1248326389.html

or,

http://newyork.craigslist.org/wch/mcy/1247982055.html

http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/mcy/1247985350.html

Here's Gasman's old bike....

http://newyork.craigslist.org/wch/mcy/1247818486.html

I'm mostly fucking with you but in all seriousness, if you keep your mind open to all of the possibilities, I don't see how you can lose!

[tommymac]

Same thing in NC but you would go over the bike after the repair anyway, right?:idk: Oh and your bike isn't all that damaged, bro. Seriously, a body kit, some bondo and paint.... Hell, your bike could pass that inspection right now most likely. In any case, if they total it they'll cut you a check for $3500+ and you can get a new bike.

Like...http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/mcy/1248326389.html

or,

http://newyork.craigslist.org/wch/mcy/1247982055.html

http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/mcy/1247985350.html

Here's Gasman's old bike....

http://newyork.craigslist.org/wch/mcy/1247818486.html

I'm mostly fucking with you but in all seriousness, if you keep your mind open to all of the possibilities, I don't see how you can lose!

I would love to get my hands on that 97 TL. A friend of mine was going to go look at it as well but never got around to it.

Tom

[marko138]

What a mess.

[Gas Man]

Close but not actually my bike...

[derf]

Yeh I found a guy who is selling a gas tank and a full set of bodywork, but the add also included the frame, swing arm, wheels, and a few other things. I'm gonna offer him $500 for the parts I need, and hopefully he will figure out if he has an F3 front wheel and I'll throw in another $100 for that too.

then I see how much they can get for the bike, if it gets totaled I will definately buy it back, the damage is just cometic, and it rides fine. Plus the inspection to get the bike un salvaged is hard if there is actual damage to the bike. If there was frame damage I would have to get any welds xrayed, but since it is just plastic and the tank all I would need to do is show that I bought new parts. Hell I could get away with bringing it there the way it is now.

Anyway my current thoughts are that if it gets totaled for the damage I will buy it back, then use the rest of the insurance $$$ and trade it in for something newer.

[askmrjesus]

If I go through the courts I am going to sue for parts from the dealership, plus any costs associated with the whole deal, including the fee to get it out of impound (lawyer said that one is hot or miss depends on the judge), tolls, gas, time, court fees, and the condom I will use when I rape him over the coals. There are still some things up in the air, and there is also the possibilty that the bike will be totaled by the adjuster which could suck.

My advice, leave your Super-Jew Calculator at home. If you walk into court asking for all that, the Judge might just peg you as a gold-digger, and send you on your way. The tow truck assholes were asked by the cops to tow your bike, so if you want your impound fees back, you'll have to ask them, (that's not happening). Time, gas, and tolls..that shit ain't happening either. Court costs, that maybe you can get.

I'd ask for parts and labor, buy the parts, and pocket the difference.

Oh, and the BBB? Useless. The BBB only gives out info to people who ask for it. Who calls the BBB before they hire a tow-truck? Nobody.

JC

[derf]

Actually thats the stuff the lawyer said I should ask for, but he did say that teh impound fees were very questionable

[derf]

Another update.

I have my insurance company (Rider) and I filed a claim with them against the tow company, but since I have liability I have to wait for the tow company insurance to deal with them. However they wont give me their insurance company info. So now rider called them and wont give up the insurance info.

I have a feeling that monday I I am going to be in philly filing a claim in small claims court. I just talked to the lawyer and he is sending a letter to the tow company too.



And on the plus side... (thanks to Dave for the lead)

I just made a deal to buy a new gas tank and full fairing set for $500, which is cheaper than the cheapo plastics off ebay and a new gas tank.

http://images.craigslist.org/3md3ob3lbZZZZZZZZZ96u0a4ddea68aa1183f.jpghttp://images.craigslist.org/3ne3k13l2ZZZZZZZZZ96ue3efe7fb41e81ac7.jpg


I am so fucking pissed I am going on the offensive now.

[derf]

The guy just threw in the 17" front wheel for an extra $100

[Dave]

damn thats everything you were looking for lol. a local lawyer sent me an advertisement :lol: i think im gonna call him tomo and see what he can offer

[derf]

damn thats everything you were looking for lol. a local lawyer sent me an advertisement :lol: i think im gonna call him tomo and see what he can offer

For the court date?



Anyway I picked up the bodywork, and it is immaculate, perfect, not even scratches on it. Plus the guy gave me the 17" front wheel as an added bonus (and added cost). Although the guy was kind of shady I also got the feeling that there is a possibility of the parts being stolen though :( He must have had a half dozen bikes in his garage in different states of dissassembly. Je told me that he does custom work on the side replacing parts and such, but I really don't know, I didnt see any custom parts laying around.

[Dave]

For the court date?



Anyway I picked up the bodywork, and it is immaculate, perfect, not even scratches on it. Plus the guy gave me the 17" front wheel as an added bonus (and added cost). Although the guy was kind of shady I also got the feeling that there is a possibility of the parts being stolen though :( He must have had a half dozen bikes in his garage in different states of dissassembly. Je told me that he does custom work on the side replacing parts and such, but I really don't know, I didnt see any custom parts laying around.

yeah, im up to like frigging 9 of the goddamned things. i thinkim gonna call around and see who can do the best dear or whatever. shady, meh. you never know, coulda been legit. i mean prob not it was on craigslist lol but hey, maybe? and now your shits gonna look bling :boobs:

[derf]

Yup and my court date was moved to the 28th at 12:30

[Dave]

Yup and my court date was moved to the 28th at 12:30

same here. good to know they are keeping us together :lol:

[derf]

Wanna split the lawyer?

I also found an incredible document that really gave me a great explination of the procedings I need to take against the tow company.

http://courts.phila.gov/pdf/brochures/small-claims-court.pdf

[Dave]

Wanna split the lawyer?

I also found an incredible document that really gave me a great explination of the procedings I need to take against the tow company.

http://courts.phila.gov/pdf/brochures/small-claims-court.pdf

im down as long as they keep us together, wanna use your brother?

[derf]

He isnt licensed in NJ, just PA, MD, DE, and NY. He took an passed the bar in NJ, but until he pays off his studen loand and the debt from his divorce they wont give him a NJ license.

I really dont think I am going to use a lawyer the uniform and a sob story go a long way

[Dave]

aight. i think im still gonna look at it as an option. lot more time now.

[derf]

Yeh, well, keep me updated and let me know what your plan is I might jump in on the lawyer with you.

[Dave]

so victoria was talking to a lady officer today, and she said she didnt know what was going on but that their number of tickets was 175% higher than usual

[derf]

Yeh i got the same info earlier in the week, but it was from a person who knows a person who knows a person. I also heard that they have been upping charges (ie, adding MPH to the clock for a bigger charge), and doubling and triple ticketing people for one offense, like the speeding plus the wreckless. What was your MPH charge? I'd really like to know if yours is 78 how we both had the exact same max speed? Especially if neither of us thought that we were going that fast, and we wern't exactly riding together over the bridge, you accelerated away from me, then I passed you and then slowed down to fall in behind you then the cop pulled up next to me at which point I was probably a good 100 feet behind you and doing no where near 78 mph.

check your PM

how did he clock 2 seperate vehicles at the exact same speed? Hmm makes one wonder. And if he only clocked one of us which one did he hit? The red bike or the yellow bike? I was riding the red bike right? or was it the yellow bike?

[Dave]

Yeh i got the same info earlier in the week, but it was from a person who knows a person who knows a person. I also heard that they have been upping charges (ie, adding MPH to the clock for a bigger charge), and doubling and triple ticketing people for one offense, like the speeding plus the wreckless. What was your MPH charge? I'd really like to know if yours is 78 how we both had the exact same max speed? Especially if neither of us thought that we were going that fast, and we wern't exactly riding together over the bridge, you accelerated away from me, then I passed you and then slowed down to fall in behind you then the cop pulled up next to me at which point I was probably a good 100 feet behind you and doing no where near 78 mph.

check your PM

how did he clock 2 seperate vehicles at the exact same speed? Hmm makes one wonder. And if he only clocked one of us which one did he hit? The red bike or the yellow bike? I was riding the red bike right? or was it the yellow bike?

78 and he is claiming radar, not helo

[derf]

So what are the chances that both of us were doing the exact same speed at 2 different times he clocked each of us.

[Dave]

zilch, he went for bonus. def gonna look for a lawyer now

[derf]

Yup. i got a dozen letters in the mail today if you need a phone number. Let me know when you go to consult the lawyer and we will go together on this.


Anyone other than Dave and I care to chime in on this conversation with their thoughts on this sudden realization?

[torilynne]

Anyone other than Dave and I care to chime in on this conversation with their thoughts on this sudden realization?

yeah i think i already told both of you that seeing as how....I WAS THERE TOO lol

[Dave]

ruhroh, hey baby :)

[Sixxxxer]

Oh fuck...There goes the neighborhood

[torilynne]

yeah yeah whine all you want but seeing as how i steal his thing all the time and comment on it and he posts things that i say i figured i might as well do it myself

[Sixxxxer]

Took you long enough...Squid ;)

[derf]

HA!

[torilynne]

yeah i know im lazy about it funny thing is i made this a while ago just to tick him off

[derf]

By the way, you sent me the most awesomest picture that night showing no damage to the right side of my bike. it just got enough of the tank to show where the crease was not at that point of the night and where it is now

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/1326/img00537.jpg

vs the next day

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7026/image347q.jpg

[Sixxxxer]

Look at those three squids

[derf]

Look at those three squids

Punks and hooligans i tell you

[torilynne]

nice!! see im useful... at times lol

[derf]

Awesome awesome picture, another photo to add to the proof file.

[Dave]

nice!! see im useful... at times lol

knew i kept you around for a good reason ;)

[torilynne]

seriously that proof file has got to be getting pretty fucking big at this point seriously its getting to the point where theres no argument. are you able to see the side of the bike from the picture i took of you and dave up on the wall?

[torilynne]

knew i kept you around for a good reason ;)

yeah... i do your laundry, cook your food, buy your food, help pay your bills, and the rest we're not gonna talk about here haha

[derf]

seriously that proof file has got to be getting pretty fucking big at this point seriously its getting to the point where theres no argument. are you able to see the side of the bike from the picture i took of you and dave up on the wall?


Yes, but it is a little blurry, still should be good. i am going to push the bike into the street one night this weekend and try to get some clear shots in that light showing the difference between the tank then and now.


I am also working on contacting my local state level representative to address the issue of a state contracted tow company (the only tow company used on the ben franklin according to the DRPA website) that can not provide liability insurance to either me or my insurance company.

Assemblywoman DAWN MARIE ADDIEGO - Republican
District Office: 32A North Main St., Medford, NJ 08055 (609) 654-1498

Assemblyman SCOTT RUDDER - Republican V
District Office: 32A North Main St., Medford, NJ 08055 (609) 654-1498

I'm telling you, I am going to persue this with a vengance. Once I get them to pay for the damages, which at this point anything over $600 I'd be happy with (actual cost of repairs so far), however I have an appointment monday morning to get an estimate from Body by Duie on rt 130, one of the best and most expensive body shops I know of. What would really make me happy is if i could figure out how to sue for over $2500 because then according to PA law they are required to hire a lawyer (http://courts.phila.gov/pdf/brochures/small-claims-court.pdf, which would cost them more money). I also found out that the filing fee for small claims court is between $45 and $65, which if they loose they are required to cover. I'm pissed very very very pissed.

I'm pulling all my super jew powers out in force

http://peru.indymedia.org/uploads/2006/06/superjew.jpgkpaaub.jpg

[Dave]

dude youre the hebrew hammer!

[Kaneman]

Man they must've just thrown those bikes off the back of the flatbed. What a bunch of cocksuckers, I hope they have to pay.
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[torilynne]

with everything that youre doing if for some reason you dont get your money back then there must be something wrong with the courts cuz you really are going all out with this

[Gas Man]

Get em guys. Keep up the good work. I am really interested in how this goes down.

[Particle Man]

well we paid their bail but not before the rape. derf had a new dent, some cracked up fairings and a few missing bolts and i had a bent toe peg on my kickstand and combustion chambers FULL of oil. interesting enough both my trip clocks had been reset. i think derf is planning to sue, he has before/after pics...i however have no such proof my bike was in excellent shape before incarceration. shes recovering in the garage now chilling on the tender. now we just gotta get ready for the court date...

holy crap, total load of BS!!!

[derf]

So I haed a long converstion over dinner with the lawyer tonight, and we mapped out a full road ahead.

Once i get 3 separate appraisals on monday he will send a letter to the tow company requesting arbitration, apparently arbitration has a 25% better chance of a positive outcome for me.

[Dave]

i figured id have a better shot at getting someone who gives a crap monday. so i havent called anyone yet. def gonna monday though

[torilynne]

so if you get money out of this does that mean i can get paid for my picture lol

[derf]

Yes I will throw you a few dollars

[torilynne]

Yes I will throw you a few dollars

woo hoo ill haz moneys

cuz I be broke

no thanks to dave haha

[derf]

Yeh he is gonna make you more broke the afternoon of the 29th too. I PM'd him some defense strategy info too.

And when all this is done and over with I will take you out for a stick of bubble gum as a thank you

[torilynne]

oh i know i will be somehow ill whind up giving him money again

yay can it be cherry bubble yum its my favorite haha

[derf]

sorry you get watermellon bubble tape.

[torilynne]

bubble tape works fine with me but watermelons funky and i want the whole roll not just a strip

[derf]

sorry we are gonna share the strip, only 3 feet for you

[torilynne]

oh i guess haha youre lucky we're cool though

[torilynne]

so we were deff going over the walt wit bridge today which is ALSO a 45mph bridge and yet we were going about 70 --which was the flow of traffic. so even if we were going 78 everyone else was speeding too just a little piece of info i thought you might like to know

[derf]

Yeh, well the lawyer said that the defense would work nicely if we each have a copy of the others ticket and ask which one of us was radared, because the 3mph less is a much smaller fine and points, and because only one of us was radared at the same max speed we ask which one was it and then there is reasonable doubt that one of us was not speeding, then we opt for the plea deal and pay more money than the fine would be, but not get a moving violation or points.

[Gas Man]

Yeh, well the lawyer said that the defense would work nicely if we each have a copy of the others ticket and ask which one of us was radared, because the 3mph less is a much smaller fine and points, and because only one of us was radared at the same max speed we ask which one was it and then there is reasonable doubt that one of us was not speeding, then we opt for the plea deal and pay more money than the fine would be, but not get a moving violation or points.
That certainly makes sense!

[Dave]

so i rode it today for the first time since it was kidnapped and things immediately felt wrong. the bike was more nervous than usual and had an asymmetric feel to it, looked down at the triple tree and i could see my left hand was forward of my right which had me thinking that they fucked up my front alignment. did a couple of small tests including lightly releasing the bars and found it was trying to turn left. bike leaning left and bars leaning left to go straight didnt make any sense, if it was a front end issue it should be pulling right. stopped and had breakfast with my car club and then as i was getting ready to leave ( and swearing to sell as soon as my title arrived) something told me to look at the rear adjusters. found the right one to be off the stops by about a half fucking inch!
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b369/Khajjathefang/0705091435.jpg

stood up and looked down at the rear tire and im amazed i got to the diner without dying from how much rear toe i was sporting. broke out the tools and started loosening the lock nut and she popped right back in place. checked everything over and went, everything is fixed now. I wanna punch that cop in the face for those bullshit lines he was spewing about safety when my bike came back like this. what if it was raining? what if my girl was on the back? seriously pissed right now. at least i dont have to go new bike shopping just yet. just got a rumor yesterday that would make that an unpalatable option as well

[Amber Lamps]

OMG! I would be in fucking jail! These motherfuckers need to burn!!! I'm glad you took that pic, it's too bad you didn't catch that at their lot. It's really amazing in a way how stupid they are for allowing you to even take the bikes after they dropped them. Don't these idiots realize that you could have been killed if your bikes sustained damage that would cause the handling, brakes, etc to fail? I don't know if you've called these guys yet Dave, but I would also give them a call if I were you!

[Dave]

OMG! I would be in fucking jail! These motherfuckers need to burn!!! I'm glad you took that pic, it's too bad you didn't catch that at their lot. It's really amazing in a way how stupid they are for allowing you to even take the bikes after they dropped them. Don't these idiots realize that you could have been killed if your bikes sustained damage that would cause the handling, brakes, etc to fail? I don't know if you've called these guys yet Dave, but I would also give them a call if I were you!

mine we dont have proof for, derf's we do. mine was also free to fix. bad thing is torilynne told me this was gonna happen when they put it on the truck. not that i could do anything about it at the time either. current evidence is now suggesting that all the issues on my bike occured from the trailering experience, and not some someone abusing it. derf's i honestly believe to have fallen over. or some such similar abuse

[torilynne]

bad thing is torilynne told me this was gonna happen when they put it on the truck.

i.e......i was right! yes that makes my day lol

anyways now that thats outta my system i honestly think that the way they had them standing up on the trailer was basically them being strapped in every which direction and then strapped together and because of this when they tried taking them off the trailer(which was wet) one of them started to tip over and took the other one with it but they prolly caught daves since his doesnt have any dents or scratches.

also gotta keep in mind that that night the guy had to have the cop help him get the bikes up there because the trailer was too wet and the bikes were slipping down so its not impossible that the same thing also couldve happened when taking the bikes off.

just a thought

[derf]

OMG! I would be in fucking jail! These motherfuckers need to burn!!! I'm glad you took that pic, it's too bad you didn't catch that at their lot. It's really amazing in a way how stupid they are for allowing you to even take the bikes after they dropped them. Don't these idiots realize that you could have been killed if your bikes sustained damage that would cause the handling, brakes, etc to fail? I don't know if you've called these guys yet Dave, but I would also give them a call if I were you!

These guys refuse to talk to me now, and they argued that they didnt do anything at their lot.

I'm going to file the civil suit tommorrow after I stop at a few body shops to get estimates to bring with me.

[Dave]

These guys refuse to talk to me now, and they argued that they didnt do anything at their lot.

I'm going to file the civil suit tommorrow after I stop at a few body shops to get estimates to bring with me.

kk check your adjusters man

[derf]

Yeh i did, everything looks alright

[Gas Man]

I can't believe that. How did the rear wheel move over? NUTS!

Did you fix the front alignment? Or was that not really off it was just the front compensating for the rear?

[derf]

Its the way they tied them upthey ratcheted the frotn and read wheels to the truck and threw a strap over the bikes then they tied down the handle bars. I told the driver that he was gonna mess up the bikes but he didnt do anything

[Gas Man]

That's when you pull out your piece place it to his temples and ask him to kindly not make you turn his head into a conoe!

That is one thing I loved about the chop. The one time I had it towed. The flat bead truck driver let me do all the work. I even used my own straps (had them ran up from home by the wife). Something about telling them its a $50k chop that changes their POV. Granted I was just broke down and you situation is way different.

[Dave]

I can't believe that. How did the rear wheel move over? NUTS!

Did you fix the front alignment? Or was that not really off it was just the front compensating for the rear?

i was compensating with the front. Its kinda a shame, i was gonna see f anyone on the local craigslist wanted to trade straight up my bike for a black 1st gen zx10r

[rogue]

Jeez. This is becoming more and more of a mess. Dave, are you sure there's no possible way of showing proof that the issue(s) with your bike stemmed from it being towed? Think outside the box.....

[derf]

Jeez. This is becoming more and more of a mess. Dave, are you sure there's no possible way of showing proof that the issue(s) with your bike stemmed from it being towed? Think outside the box.....

Unfortunately his bike was ridden off the lot and no pictures were taken of it before we left

[Dave]

Unfortunately his bike was ridden off the lot and no pictures were taken of it before we left

the only thing we saw at the time was the kickstand, and we had no pre tow pics of that. steph, no and i really dont care. im just not going to feel bad about me being me and doing the things i do

[derf]

So i just got back from getting 3 body shop estimates, 2 of them were close to 3k the third was just over 2k, but that didn't include paint. Heading to file the case with Philly courts after I get some food.

[derf]

filed, my court case is 20 Aug at 1:15. the clerk who took my complaint laughed because in her words :i had more proof than anyone else she had seen that day"

[marko138]

filed, my court case is 20 Aug at 1:15. the clerk who took my complaint laughed because in her words :i had more proof than anyone else she had seen that day"
Thats good news.

[derf]

I don't know how good that really is, or if it counts as anything. I saw a few people escorted out (true) because they were being unruly. And a note from mommy (same person) doesn't count as proof of anything.

[derf]

So we got our court date tommorrow to fight the tickets

[Dave]

yeah, i want my mommy :lol:

[derf]

yeah, i want my mommy :lol:

I want your mommy too, although your girl would do just fine

[Dave]

Shes laughing at yoouuu

[torilynne]

Shes laughing at yoouuu

only cuz I didn't know how else to react. Lol

Always nice to know......I guess haha

[Dave]

waiting for the courtroom to open up. place is a zoo. No ac either.

[Trip]

waiting for the courtroom to open up. place is a zoo. No ac either.

oh, going to see some resolution.

[Dave]

derf is still there. my lawyer got 3/4 of my tickets dropped and the speeding reduced to 4 mph over. $322 total plus 2 points. to date this fucking adventure has cost me a bit under a grand. getting my title friday. anyone wanna buy a 954 tuned by rickey gadson? :lmao:

[Trip]

derf is still there. my lawyer got 3/4 of my tickets dropped and the speeding reduced to 4 mph over. $322 total plus 2 points.

nice

[Amber Lamps]

derf is still there. my lawyer got 3/4 of my tickets dropped and the speeding reduced to 4 mph over. $322 total plus 2 points. to date this fucking adventure has cost me a bit under a grand. getting my title friday. anyone wanna buy a 954 tuned by rickey gadson? :lmao:

Jeez! What is that, $122 ticket-$200 lawyer?:lol:

[Dave]

Jeez! What is that, $122 ticket-$200 lawyer?:lol:

$322 ticket/court fees, $400 lawyer, $210 towing and impound.

[Amber Lamps]

$322 ticket/court fees, $400 lawyer, $210 towing and impound.

fuck!!!

[Dave]

thats what i said!

[derf]

They gave me a new court date in sept because I hold a CDL I risk loosing my lic.

[wildchild]

They gave me a new court date in sept because I hold a CDL I risk loosing my lic.

does that mean they're going to try and help you not lose the lic or they're going to screw you over even worse because you have the CDL?

[tommymac]

Hopefully help, sometimes the work with guys with a CDl because that can mean their livelyhood if they loose it.

Tom

[wildchild]

that's what I was hoping too but you never know.

[derf]

does that mean they're going to try and help you not lose the lic or they're going to screw you over even worse because you have the CDL?

I wish I knew.

Anyway, I just recieved a court notice saying that the civil lawsuit for the bike parts was put off until Sept 16th...

[Dave]

fack!

[rogue]

That fuckin' sucks balls.....

[derf]

Got court tommorrow, this is the one that decided if I get to keep my lic or not...

[Dave]

best of luck man

[Apoc]

tons of fun!

[marko138]

Good luck dude. F the man.

[derf]

Turned out good, 2 of the 3 tix were dropped (reckless and no insurance), and the 3rd was reduced to careless driving. The officer didn't show up and the judge wanted me to come back again in 3 weeks, but then he offered me to go and talk to the prosecutor again so I did and he gave me the offer above.

The careless was $259, plus $250 surcharge, plus $30 court fees, $539 total. Its still less than what dave paid between 5 mph over, court fees, lawyer, and impound fee. He was close tot he $1k mark, I am closer to $650 total.

And the big one, no points, and I keep my liscense.

And as an added bonus someone bought me a free coffee this morning from wawa, and I was at the parking lot early enough to not have to pay for parking

[Amber Lamps]

Turned out good, 2 of the 3 tix were dropped (reckless and no insurance), and the 3rd was reduced to careless driving. The officer didn't show up and the judge wanted me to come back again in 3 weeks, but then he offered me to go and talk to the prosecutor again so I did and he gave me the offer above.

The careless was $259, plus $250 surcharge, plus $30 court fees, $539 total. Its still less than what dave paid between 5 mph over, court fees, lawyer, and impound fee. He was close tot he $1k mark, I am closer to $650 total.

And the big one, no points, and I keep my liscense.


Um careless doesn't carry points there? It's 3 pts in Michigan.:idk:

[derf]

Um careless doesn't carry points there? It's 3 pts in Michigan.:idk:

Reckless has points careless does not

[karl_1052]

Um careless doesn't carry points there? It's 3 pts in Michigan.:idk:

Weird.

Careless here carries 6 points.
We don't have wreckless here anymore.

[zer0t]

Good deal--I am glad it worked out.

[Amber Lamps]

Good deal--I am glad it worked out.

Yea if you call $539 out of pocket working out. WOW!

[Apoc]

fuck, i can get a speeding 20 over and no seatbelt and beat that puny fine :lol

[derf]

Yea if you call $539 out of pocket working out. WOW!

Dave spent $300+ more than me, plus I got no points and keep my liscense. yeh it works, not happy about it, but it works

[Gas Man]

Yeah but fuckin blows.

What ever happened with the damage from the shop?

I was thinking of you the other week when I had to pick up a buds bike from the impound yard, he's in jail. But this place was 100% professional.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/other%20bikes/SSPX0410.jpg

[derf]

Yeah but fuckin blows.

What ever happened with the damage from the shop?

I was thinking of you the other week when I had to pick up a buds bike from the impound yard, he's in jail. But this place was 100% professional.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/other%20bikes/SSPX0410.jpg

Court on the 16th, I believe next wedensday

[zer0t]

Yea if you call $539 out of pocket working out. WOW!

Compared to losing his license; I would say that worked out. I didn't say $539 wasn't a big deal, but I think he was more concerned about his license.

Plus, in NJ the most f'ed up insurance state in the US, if he got points the insurance on the bike would be ridiculous.

[Sixxxxer]

Fred were you in Uniform?? If so people always buy Military guys free coffee when they see men in uniform Well they do at my store anyway...Ad Careless driving has 2 points in the state of New jersey, I've gotten it before...I believe you used Unsafe driving as your plea which is no points but carries a HEFTY Surcharge...Which you stated above.

Either way good to hear you got no points. I should've came in as a witness considering I was behind you guys the whole time and that cop lied his balls off...But you didnt need me anyway :)

[Amber Lamps]

Compared to losing his license; I would say that worked out. I didn't say $539 wasn't a big deal, but I think he was more concerned about his license.

Plus, in NJ the most f'ed up insurance state in the US, if he got points the insurance on the bike would be ridiculous.

Whatever, I see that he's buying a V1 radar detector for his bike.

[Kaneman]

Compared to losing his license; I would say that worked out. I didn't say $539 wasn't a big deal, but I think he was more concerned about his license.

Plus, in NJ the most f'ed up insurance state in the US, if he got points the insurance on the bike would be ridiculous.

He got fucked any way you look at it....just not as fucked as he could've been.

[zuuk750]

Reckless has points careless does not


wrong, careless is 2, reckless is 5- doing the surcharge bit and having the judge reduce it to 0 points is called an unsafe- you have two of those to use.

sorry scooter shoulda read your post first.

cant leave this thread without leaving my opinion:

being LEO, seems as though this guy definately felt like lumber dumping you both. ( I know this is way late, but it is also late ATM, and I'm bored and need to up post count) In doing so he know something would get dropped in court, so make it look like hes out there really enforcing motor vehicle law.

NOW, on to the part that really had me thinking this whole time- the radar issue. In a town I work in I have a large section of 206-4 lane highway. a radar will pick up anything metal that is moving. This includes billboards, and large road signs. (intro to crash course on radar). a radar unit will also give things such as ghost reads, these are hard to explain but in a series of vehicles traveling 55-60mph you will get a blip of 130+, for example, when really noone is really traveling this speed (unless its scooter resorting to his squidly ways). this is caused by reflection, and a bunch of other goofy shit.

to even be able to LOCK on a motorcycle, being that they are so narrow and have significantly less metal than any other vehicle on the road, is very difficult with the exception of a goldwing maybe. at max a radar can read two speeds at once, for there are 2 windows (a regular incoming speed window and a FAST box which is a vehicle that is traveling faster than any other object around it. when a radar unit is activated, it will read whatever speed of the object it is pointing at, so speeds jump around a couple times a second. my guess is that if you two were traveling next to eachother, it is very possible that the unit gathered only one speed. now in this gathering of the one speed, it is also very possible that the "ghost" phenomena that i stated above came into play, where the radar mistakes the object and adds the speed.

seems like a very inexperienced radar operator wrote you guys. I have wrote many speeding tickets, and not lost a single one in court.

end: im glad things worked out for you guys.

[zer0t]

Whatever, I see that he's buying a V1 radar detector for his bike.

He got fucked any way you look at it....just not as fucked as he could've been.

Ok, just to :deadhorse:, this was all I was referring to and nothing else. I should have quoted it the first time to avoid the confusion.

They gave me a new court date in sept because I hold a CDL I risk loosing my lic.

[derf]

Ok, just to :deadhorse:, this was all I was referring to and nothing else. I should have quoted it the first time to avoid the confusion.

There is no hoarse too dead that it can't be beat...

[derf]

being LEO, seems as though this guy definately felt like lumber dumping you both.

Yup. We both pulled over, helmets off and were being very courteous, and the guy came at us with an attitude from the second he got out of the car. Right away he started yelling at us as loud as he could. I mean we were both yes sir no sir, and he was all grrrr

[racedoll]

My question is who took the pic? Mr. Towtruck driver? On the next episode of Wrecked it's Derf and Dave.

I'm a little slow.. but was wondering the same... then I read who.

Yep, loud exhaust draws the wrong kind of attention. It always sound like the biker is going faster than they likely are.

It might draw attention to the cops, but also to other cagers too that aren't paying attention.

For the court date?
Anyway I picked up the bodywork, and it is immaculate, perfect, not even scratches on it. Plus the guy gave me the 17" front wheel as an added bonus (and added cost). Although the guy was kind of shady I also got the feeling that there is a possibility of the parts being stolen though :( He must have had a half dozen bikes in his garage in different states of dissassembly. Je told me that he does custom work on the side replacing parts and such, but I really don't know, I didnt see any custom parts laying around.

As if you needed another thing to go wrong with this whole ordeal. Hopefully the parts weren't stolen.

Dave spent $300+ more than me, plus I got no points and keep my liscense. yeh it works, not happy about it, but it works

But didn't you have a lot more damage to the bike that has to get repaired, your cost or not?

[derf]

Yeh with the bike parts it was more expensive, but I could have gotten away without replacing stuff, and daves bike would have taken some damage if it didnt already flex easily from the damage he already has.

[derf]

Court tommorrow, we shall see how i do. Almost done

[Flexin]

Court tommorrow, we shall see how i do. Almost done

What is this date for?

James

[derf]

Suing the tow company for damages


Before
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5971/image338h.jpg

after

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1228/image348.jpg

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7026/image347q.jpg

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/8963/image346.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1026/image345u.jpg

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9146/image344r.jpg

[Flexin]

Suing the tow company for damages


Before
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5971/image338h.jpg

after

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1228/image348.jpg

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7026/image347q.jpg

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/8963/image346.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1026/image345u.jpg

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9146/image344r.jpg

I forgot about the tow company. Kick some ass tomorrow.

James

[marko138]

Good luck man.

[Dave]

good luck bro!

[Dave]

:D ;) :lol:

[derf]

As luck would have it, luck was on my side! I walked into court, and presented my case to the judge, the other lawyer tried to get my pictures thrown out because they were blurry (damn cell phone pictures!!!) but only was able to get 2 thrown out. Then the judge decided in my favor in the amount of $1500. So all in all I am happy. She would have given me more, but the printout from KBB showed value at 4500 for it, being 10 years old. So she could only justify the $1500

[Flexin]

As luck would have it, luck was on my side! I walked into court, and presented my case to the judge, the other lawyer tried to get my pictures thrown out because they were blurry (damn cell phone pictures!!!) but only was able to get 2 thrown out. Then the judge decided in my favor in the amount of $1500. So all in all I am happy.

Congrats.

James

[Kaneman]

Fuck yea dude, that's awesome. I'm happy for you.

[marko138]

Nice. Glad things worked out.

[Gas Man]

That is badass man! Fuckin A congrads! You put it to em for the team IMO. These half ass tow companies need to understand that they need to treat our vechicles (bikes or cars/trucks) with fuckin respect!

like I said I recently delt with a impound yard (tow company) and they took pride in taking care of the vechicles. They did charge for an extra man to help in strapping in the bike. Cause they tow guy can't winch in or move the flat bed while holding the bike. But that is fine cause they took care of the bike (not mine). RESPECT!

And with the $1500 what will it cost you to repair the damage with flebay parts?

[derf]

And with the $1500 what will it cost you to repair the damage with flebay parts?

600 from craigslist, already done

next I talk to my state reps about how a state contracted company refuses to give or doesnt have liability

[Gas Man]

Cool as shit

$1500
- 500 court
- 600 parts
- impound fees?
=???

[derf]

Cool as shit

$1500
- 500 court
- 600 parts
- impound fees?
=???


1500
-500 court
-600 parts
-100 impound
-100 gas/tolls/parking
_________________
200 left

Trust me though, $200 isnt nearly worth my time and the effort I put into this. Plus they still have 30 days to appeal the decision

[Gas Man]

I understand that! But you're not out any money. And you did share fault in it by your actions and not having the proper paperwork. So all in all not bad.

[derf]

I understand that! But you're not out any money. And you did share fault in it by your actions and not having the proper paperwork. So all in all not bad.

I disagree with you on that. Yes i didn't have my ins card, but they should not have damaged the bike, and if they did and it was an accident then they should be able to provide me with liability insurance, especially since they are contracted by the government to provide the towing service.

[Gas Man]

What I mean is that you are the root cause of the entire problem. Had you had the proper info it would have never been towed. So that should at least make it that the $200 up but loads time down. Should equal out.

[derf]

What I mean is that you are the root cause of the entire problem. Had you had the proper info it would have never been towed. So that should at least make it that the $200 up but loads time down. Should equal out.

I disagree, it doesnt matter if I should have been towed or not, by all rights I was towed for a valid reason, and rightly so. I can still bitch and moan that the cop could have let us go with a warning and not towed us, but he did what he was supposed to do.

The real issue is how the tow truck driver unloaded the bikes. He needed help to get the bikes on the truck, and I will bet anything that he needed help to unload them, except there wasnt help and my guess is that is how it was damaged. If he needed help and didnt get it or didnt ask for it then it is totally their fault

[Gas Man]

Oh I totally agree as I stated with my recent expierence. The towing comp F'ed up.