Cane Corso

[Gas Man]

Rider got most of it down.

The ears don't have to be cropped. Its acceptable either way. The dew claws and tail HAVE to be docked and as Rider said, its done when they are real young (usually within the first 3 days, I typed this info in the begining of the thread)

Ebbs... yeah no more blue eyes, its like babies. Besides blue eyes as a full grown is a breed disqualification.

And I'll tell the wife that you, Dova, like the read hair, that she no longer has... And I love the puppy with full size dog pic... that is AWESOME!

Marko... yeah its cool taking him to work... I don't even take a leash... have the shock collar to keep him close (he don't use it much anymore... just for off leash for the just in case).

[Quick281]

How do you like your shock collar?

I was thinking about picking one up for my jack russell to use for off leash training and eventually just to keep around for situations when I would want to let him lose.

[marko138]

Originally Posted by Quick281

How do you like your shock collar?

I was thinking about picking one up for my jack russell to use for off leash training and eventually just to keep around for situations when I would want to let him lose.

Use one for Manny. They work...usually...but if he wants to run off he's still gonna do it. He knows eventually the shocking will stop and keeps running.

[ericr]

That is a beautiful dog Gas Man! Makes me miss the big breeds, we had Great Danes all the time I was growing up.

[Dova80]

Originally Posted by Quick281

How do you like your shock collar?

I was thinking about picking one up for my jack russell to use for off leash training and eventually just to keep around for situations when I would want to let him lose.

POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT! I would never recommend a shock collar....

start small, in the back yard get him to walk around with you off leash, you want to hold a toy at your at your left shoulder with your right hand while telling him to heel or whatever command you want for him to walk at your side(make sure he see's the toy and he wants it). Start walking around with him once he starts walking with you for a few steps he receives the positive reinforcement, then you start pushing it out longer... but always play in the end. If you can do this about 5-10 times a day for only 5-10 mins a time he will pick it up in no time. Eventually you will have to hide the toy and use the command then surprise him with play time. You will be shocked at how quickly he will pick it up and he will WANT to do it which is most important.

Eventually you will want to throw in distractions, then when he is still doing good you can start taking him to public places and trying it.


Dog in general want to please the alpha, and will usually do what it takes to make him/her happy especially if they get something out of it.

[Gas Man]

The problem is that the powerfull breeds will try to fight for the alpha dog position. And I know that with mine, no physicall means will get is attention when he's being "ballsy" better than a little zap

[Dova80]

Originally Posted by Gas Man

The problem is that the powerfull breeds will try to fight for the alpha dog position. And I know that with mine, no physicall means will get is attention when he's being "ballsy" better than a little zap

I suppose Rotts, Pitt Bulls, Boxers, Dobermans, German Shepard, S.A. Boerboels, AM Staffs and a little with the Cane Corso breed are not powerful breeds?

Here is a picture of one of the dogs having a bit of fun. This was taken the first time Bane was taken into training... Now this is not Bane but one of the many dogs we worked with that day. There were NO shock collars. These dogs work because they enjoy it, not because they are forced to.


I currently have a 145lbs rottie, and a 15lbs dachshund both intact males and I can guarantee that there is not pushing between the two. They know I am the alpha and I will not tolerate any aggression between the two of them.


Power has nothing to do with the breed fighting for the Alpha position. This is just the way dogs work, if a dog sense's that he might be able to force out the alpha and replace him the dog will. Same as when the Alpha becomes sick the entire pack will turn on him and kill him only to better the pack.

The dog should not get "ballsy" that is the part of the owner to keep the animal in check. The animal should know who is the alpha but a shock collar does not prove to the animal who is in charge. But is sure is a good way to ruin a dog if not used properly...

[Gas Man]

Well say what you want. You CAN NOT train a powerfull breed dog the same way you do a lab or retriever. Lab's and retrievers DO NOT act the same or as challenging to anybody or any other dog.

I used the shock collar at the house to control him better when he gets out of line. Sure he would be better behaved if I ran him out more, but working 60+ hrs a week doesn't offer much free time for such. You will rarely ever have problems with tired dogs. Further walking with the dog aids in the alpha roles. But as i said, I don't always have that time for doing this everyday. He gets walked and other forums of interataction.

But I ran the collar for about a month, maybe 6 weeks. And now he rarely ever needs it. It was a tool that I used, nothing more different than a kennel. People use kennels for all sorts of reasons whether it be potty training or punishment. The dogs don't always like it but people do it anyway. That is not to say that we all will agree with each other on training.

I personally don't agree with sleeve training. I believe it breeds aggressive behavior in the dogs, especially the powerfull breeds. Police K9 dogs do this but they receive round the clock training far beyond what most normal owners would give. They have to be vicous on command to a criminal but soft/gental enough to let 1st graders maul them at school. But again, these dogs aren't the norm nor their training.

My dogs father and siblings were sleeve trained. I did some time with his father at the breeders house. It was an amazing thing, however, that dog hated me all the time, wanted to eat me all the time. I believe its the contridiction from soft vs sleeve agressive that causes some dogs to "snap" if in the wrong position.

Perhaps I'm completely wrong, perhaps not. Perhaps the 3 trainers I have consulted with are complete morons, perhaps not. Some are fine with shock collars and others are against it. Some believe Ceasar Milan is too hard on dogs, some don't. All I know is that fora 5.5 month old puppy my dog listens to me and is very well behaved. At the end of the day something I have done or not done has worked.

If my dog gets out of line or does something wrong I tell him so, one way or the other. Shcok collar, he still understands, I can tell by his reactions to the shock and to me.

Which by the way, powerfull breeds doesn't only mean their size, it also has to do with their mentality.

And at the end of today... I didn't create this thread to debate training, just share the good times Brinks and the family & friends are having.

Also, that is one great looking Rot I have always loved Rots. They are such a big muscle bound dog that are usually giant teddy bears.

[Dova80]

Originally Posted by Gas Man

Well say what you want. You CAN NOT train a powerfull breed dog the same way you do a lab or retriever. Lab's and retrievers DO NOT act the same or as challenging to anybody or any other dog.

Actually yes you do. You can train a lab with just about the same techniques as you would any other dog.

Originally Posted by Gas Man

I used the shock collar at the house to control him better when he gets out of line. Sure he would be better behaved if I ran him out more, but working 60+ hrs a week doesn't offer much free time for such. You will rarely ever have problems with tired dogs. Further walking with the dog aids in the alpha roles. But as i said, I don't always have that time for doing this everyday. He gets walked and other forums of interataction.

So you wanted a dog to just hang around with little to no stimulus? You don't have to run him, just going out to practice obedience will work. 10-15 min sessions.

Originally Posted by Gas Man

But I ran the collar for about a month, maybe 6 weeks. And now he rarely ever needs it. It was a tool that I used, nothing more different than a kennel. People use kennels for all sorts of reasons whether it be potty training or punishment. The dogs don't always like it but people do it anyway. That is not to say that we all will agree with each other on training.

No a kennel is a dogs home, thats where he goes to step away it should not be used as punishment, totally different than a shock collar.

Originally Posted by Gas Man

I personally don't agree with sleeve training. I believe it breeds aggressive behavior in the dogs, especially the powerfull breeds. Police K9 dogs do this but they receive round the clock training far beyond what most normal owners would give. They have to be vicous on command to a criminal but soft/gental enough to let 1st graders maul them at school. But again, these dogs aren't the norm nor their training.

If you are referring to the picture of sleeve training it is completely different than what the police receive as training for their animals. The picture above is bite work for the sport of Schutzhund, along with tracking, and obedience. If done properly the dog does not associate the sleeve with the person, and after the work is done the handler, trainer and dog can all be friends. The dog does not do it out of aggression, he does it because it is a game. I have worked for a shot time with a gentleman that has a S.A. Boerboel that does schutzhund and I believe is now titled S.c.h. I and working on II that is also a therapy dog that goes into hospitals to help uplift the cancer patients. There is ZERO aggression because it is not aggression that you see. When you watch a dog train do you see his tail wagging, or do you see the hair on his back standing up?

Originally Posted by Gas Man

My dogs father and siblings were sleeve trained. I did some time with his father at the breeders house. It was an amazing thing, however, that dog hated me all the time, wanted to eat me all the time. I believe its the contridiction from soft vs sleeve agressive that causes some dogs to "snap" if in the wrong position.

Sleeve trained? As in Schutzhund, or Protection?
By doing time were you on the sleeve? The dog has no hatred for the trainer, you are just wearing something he wants and he has been trained to get it.

I am not sure I understand what you mean "soft vs sleeve aggressive"? Also it depends on what you mean by "snap"? Are you talking about going after the trainer or handler outside of the training?

Originally Posted by Gas Man

Perhaps I'm completely wrong, perhaps not. Perhaps the 3 trainers I have consulted with are complete morons, perhaps not. Some are fine with shock collars and others are against it. Some believe Ceasar Milan is too hard on dogs, some don't. All I know is that fora 5.5 month old puppy my dog listens to me and is very well behaved. At the end of the day something I have done or not done has worked.

There are quite a few trainers who claim to be such, but very few are actually worthwhile enough to train a dog. The dog might listen to you out of fear, not because he/she wants to do your bidding. It makes further training much more difficult having to force the animal to do something rather than make it want to do something.

Originally Posted by Gas Man

If my dog gets out of line or does something wrong I tell him so, one way or the other. Shcok collar, he still understands, I can tell by his reactions to the shock and to me.

So the dog now associates what you say to a shock on the neck... I do not really see this as a good thing.

Originally Posted by Gas Man

Which by the way, powerfull breeds doesn't only mean their size, it also has to do with their mentality.

So if you combine size and a semi intelligent dog you have a powerful breed?

I am guessing you do not think the dogs I listed are powerful? I do conceed the doberman is not quite on par as far as brains go... Generally they have two cells that fight each other.

Originally Posted by Gas Man

And at the end of today... I didn't create this thread to debate training, just share the good times Brinks and the family & friends are having.

Fair enough...

Originally Posted by Gas Man

Also, that is one great looking Rot I have always loved Rots. They are such a big muscle bound dog that are usually giant teddy bears.

That rott is a complete ham... I never did any training with him, only obedience, my last two were titled... and it was just a terrible loss when they died. Lots of time and effort spent between the dogs and I..

[Gas Man]

Well again I have been slackin in my updates. I have been caught up with the planning and doing of the kitchen remodel, along with the holidays and BANG... months have gone by.

So back a few months ago... maybe early december.... he goes in the back of the work truck with me to work.


Well his bowls on the floor needed to come up. I looked ALL OVER the internet and shops... couldn't find one tall enough, that stores a good amount of food, and had big dishes. So I shopped around a bit till I found the perfect size "rubber maid" style container. Cut out the circles in the lid, cut up an old foam style floor mat to not only give it some style but also act as a gasket for the water dish. The manufactued versions usually have a double bowl on the water side.

BAM




It holds over 2 BIG bags.

So anyway, back around Christmas he got a big new bed. Found it at Sams Club for $30 and its huge. He LOVES LOVES LOVES it. He must put at least 12hrs a day on that thing if he can. There's some of that Mastiff lazy coming out.




Some more shots from early Dec





Then he got his first big snow